The way it is being organised means repainting and refurbishing 6 cars. Swapping the sets over would mean doing the same for 18 cars. Why do that?Are the XC and WM units different internally (seating layout etc)? If not, why not just swap six 2-car XC sets for a similar number of 3-car WM sets, instead of going to the trouble of reforming 12 units? How significant is the cost of changing the livery on 30 cars rather than 6?
Surely a swap would mean repainting/refurbishing 30 cars (6x2 + 6x3).The way it is being organised means repainting and refurbishing 6 cars. Swapping the sets over would mean doing the same for 18 cars. Why do that?
The 6x2 will need refurbishing regardless as they go to EMR.Surely a swap would mean repainting/refurbishing 30 cars (6x2 + 6x3).
Ah, ok, but that does assume that WMR would use them as is until that transfer. Using the word "additional" would have made it much clearer.The 6x2 will need refurbishing regardless as they go to EMR.
170523 has worked 5Z71 Bristol Barton Hill to Tyseley today as a 3 car with 56635 added. It's also renumbered 170623. Individual car numbers are unchanged.
Mark
No WMR 3 car sets after this weekend according to a notice posted in the booking on point the other day.Thanks for the heads-up I've been getting the 'new' 170/5s on WMR when possible, had 532/534/535 so far. 533 I am sure I read has been done, just waiting on 530 and 531 now. Fingers crossed they won't be far behind, it's helping to keep me busy with new stuff on my patch until the 196s begin
Thanks for the heads-upNo WMR 3 car sets after this weekend according to a notice posted in the booking on point the other day.
only the 170/1s I believe, so aren't involved hereDo XC units also have an extra row of seats in each coach?
I have been told that there no longer any 3 car 170 diagrams, so safe to assume that both have had their centre cars removed.Have 170630 and 170631 lost their centre cars yet?
170530 was in service two days ago. Haven't seen 531 yet.Have 170630 and 170631 lost their centre cars yet?
Does that mean it will operate with mixed livery and interior or will it get a refurb before entering traffic?170520 went to Barton Hill yesterday for the addition of its centre car which should be 56632.
Should return at 170620
Mark
The centre cars are being refurbished and repainted before being inserted.Does that mean it will operate with mixed livery and interior or will it get a refurb before entering traffic?
ThanksThe centre cars are being refurbished and repainted before being inserted.
No problemThanks
do you happen to know if it was mix livery or all in XC livery?170623 was in traffic today on stansteds!
do you happen to know if it was mix livery or all in XC livery?
This unit 170533 seen at BNS by a friend today and the cars have regained their original numbers. Most confusing.Pic off 170533 new side numbers. Not my pic by the way.View attachment 85719
They were renumbered to 50533 & 79533 in error. Individual vehicle numbers are staying the same. Just set numbers changing.This unit 170533 seen at BNS by a friend today and the cars have regained their original numbers. Most confusing.
Mark
they are going to Crewe for repainting/refurbishingThe 6x2 will need refurbishing regardless as they go to EMR.
531 was moved to Crewe yesterday for a repaintFirst ex - WMR 170 has transferred to EMR (170530), 531 may have by the time you see this.
All the WMR 170’s are going to EMR not just the 6 ex 3 cars.First ex - WMR 170 has transferred to EMR (170530), 531 may have by the time you see this.
they are going to Crewe for repainting/refurbishing
Are the XC and WM units different internally (seating layout etc)?
The XC 170s are in a very poor state inside, hardly surprising since it's been years since any interior work and don't even have plug sockets/USBs. both the seating and carpets are very worn.Have the centre cars had any other work on them except new seat covers? Presumably needed a deep clean too.