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So has that been sold on for redevelopment then?The former Olympic container yard was previously the skid pan at the back of Hyde Road bus garage and, until 1923, was the site of Manchester City's football ground.
So has that been sold on for redevelopment then?The former Olympic container yard was previously the skid pan at the back of Hyde Road bus garage and, until 1923, was the site of Manchester City's football ground.
so is Manchester Oxford Road and Deansgate.It's less than a mile to Piccadilly, and the area is well served by buses. No point introducing an hourly service
difference being they're in the middle of the city centre and Ardwick station's in the middle of sod all.so is Manchester Oxford Road and Deansgate.
If Ardwick had never cut its services in the 1990s and still had regular trains stopping throughout the day i guarantee people would frequently be using it today, just as people use other stations that are a mile away from a major station. Chorlton-on-Medlock is home to a few people living there, and Ardwick would serve the residential areas off Ashton Old Road.difference being they're in the middle of the city centre and Ardwick station's in the middle of sod all.
As a resident of the large population centre (Ardwick, Longsight, Plymouth Grove etc)Bang on. It's my closest station, and as I travel to Sheffield and the peaks quite regularly, I would use it quite frequently if the Sheffield stopper called here. As it's a lot closer to actually quite a large population centre (Ardwick, Longsight, Plymouth Grove etc) than Picc, given some signage and time I think it could be quite well used.
I wonder if some services do get "devolution", this station could be included in plans.
My acid test for these sort of circumstances is to ask 'if it had never been built, would people be proposing to build it today?'. From the responses on here, it appears that there would be a small campaign but it would not be gaining any significant local support.As a resident of the large population centre (Ardwick, Longsight, Plymouth Grove etc)
if I wish to travel by rail I catch a 192 bus which stops outside Piccadilly station.
To get to Ardwick station I would have to get off the 192 At the Apollo 02 venue
and walk almost half a mile with an estimated journey time of about 10 minutes.
I suspect they would just get the bus into town.If Ardwick had never cut its services in the 1990s and still had regular trains stopping throughout the day i guarantee people would frequently be using it today, just as people use other stations that are a mile away from a major station. Chorlton-on-Medlock is home to a few people living there, and Ardwick would serve the residential areas off Ashton Old Road.
Although of course this assumes that locals' appreciation of demand is infallible. Residents without access to detailed forecasting etc can't be expected to know if a project will be a success or not!My acid test for these sort of circumstances is to ask 'if it had never been built, would people be proposing to build it today?'. From the responses on here, it appears that there would be a small campaign but it would not be gaining any significant local support.
The business case is a separate thing. However, in general, if there isn't any local strength of feeling the business case isn't worth putting together. At least if there's demonstrable demand, it can be worth looking at what the specifics might be.Although of course this assumes that locals' appreciation of demand is infallible. Residents without access to detailed forecasting etc can't be expected to know if a project will be a success or not!
Ordnance Survey maps from pre WW1, show a section of a railway loop line leading to a neighbouring boilerworks (Galloway's) which ran between the terrace and the Hyde Road stadium pitch at a corner of the cramped ground.Ardwick station was adjacent to Hyde Road, which was Manchester City's ground from 1887 to 1923. City were known as Ardwick until 1894. One of the stands at Hyde Road is still extant in Halifax after it was moved across the Pennines and re-erected at the Shay.
The small stand in the top RH corner was known as the Lad's Stand.Ordnance Survey maps from pre WW1, show a section of a railway loop line leading to a neighbouring boilerworks (Galloway's) which ran between the terrace and the Hyde Road stadium pitch at one corner of the ground.
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Given all the rebuilding of other formerly dismal areas around the periphery of the city centre - Green Quarter, Spinningfields, Ancoats, Greengate/Chapel Street (last two technically in Salford) - the area around Mayfield station and on towards Ardwick seems to have been very slow off the mark.
I wonder, if and when redevelopment eventually gets to Ardwick, and it's finally deemed worthwhile upgrading the station, which side of £100 million the station rebuild will cost?
It's more of an awkward site than many other minor stations, with the long alleyway, steps up to the height of the viaduct, footbridge to island platform etc., so it would need quite a bit spent on stuff beyond platform resurfacing and a decent shelter. At least the vacant land between Blind Lane and the railway viaduct seems to be owned by Network Rail (according to signs on the gates), so should not be too hard to open out that horrible long alleyway for proper station access by foot and car.
Slightly OT, but speaking of Mayfield - anyone know if anything is happening to that station site & its surroundings?
Bang on. It's my closest station, and as I travel to Sheffield and the peaks quite regularly, I would use it quite frequently if the Sheffield stopper called here. As it's a lot closer to actually quite a large population centre (Ardwick, Longsight, Plymouth Grove etc) than Picc, given some signage and time I think it could be quite well used.
I wonder if some services do get "devolution", this station could be included in plans.
Eh? Did you perhaps mean Ashburys?...calling at Ardwick will almost certainly mean dropping a call somewhere else more useful (i.e. Ardwick)
There are plans which involve a 42 story block just outside of ring road,The city centre is defined for planning purposes as area within the ring road. Buildings outside this area are generally limited to 15 floors for instance. The area around Ardwick station will never be part of city centre but it will hopefully see considerable development.
Mayfield station is now a semi temporary music venue and restaurant. The area to the south opened in September last year as Mayfield Park. Just to the south of it (and on approaches to old station), there will be office blocks. Mayfield Park was built as a requirement of the development.
The small stand in the top RH corner was known as the Lad's Stand.
I have read that sometimes wagons were shunted in front of this stand during games, but I have never managed to find a photo that proves this occurred.
I did, apologies!Eh? Did you perhaps mean Ashburys?
There are plans which involve a 42 story block just outside of ring road,
duscussed on this Skyscrapercity thread.
Upper Brook Street Masterplan | 96/70/49/43m |...
www.skyscrapercity.com
I'd say not, unless they were then changing trains at Piccadilly - I used to live next to Oxford Road and rarely took the train to Piccadilly even if I were changing trains there, and never when I wasn't. But I would see walking rather than the bus as the alternative. I think I walked to Ardwick once but I suspect I walked back also.Wouldn't it only be viable if it became a destination, ie offices/entertainment/industry, rather than a source , ie housing?
Would anyone bother to get on a train that only got them to Piccadilly rather than a bus into the city centre?
I'd say not, unless they were then changing trains at Piccadilly - I used to live next to Oxford Road and rarely took the train to Piccadilly even if I were changing trains there, and never when I wasn't. But I would see walking rather than the bus as the alternative. I think I walked to Ardwick once but I suspect I walked back also.