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paddyb6

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Believe it will be the following - happy to be corrected.

3090-3100 Southport
3101-3106 Runcorn
3126-3135 to St Helens

Not sure what will happen to 2960/2995-9.
 
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gka472l

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Believe it will be the following - happy to be corrected.

3090-3100 Southport
3101-3106 Runcorn
3126-3135 to St Helens

Not sure what will happen to 2960/2995-9.

I believe it's the other way round.....3090/2-5/7/9/100 St Helens, 3101/2/4-6 Runcorn, 3126-3135 Southport....although plans do change of course. I'm assuming 2960/2995-2999 will leave the fleet as many of similar age are also leaving at present.

HTH
 

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I believe it's the other way round.....3090/2-5/7/9/100 St Helens, 3101/2/4-6 Runcorn, 3126-3135 Southport....although plans do change of course. I'm assuming 2960/2995-2999 will leave the fleet as many of similar age are also leaving at present.

HTH
You are probably right, may have mistook the memo! Thanks for the clarification.
 

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For the first time in years it looks like Arriva Bootle were operating there own Boxing Day services

Usual and has been for must be 20+ years that Boxing Day and New Year Day Bootle stay closed and run there routes out from Green Lane Depot

Is this something to do with the upcoming franchise or was Bootle operating more services this year?
 

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It is the end of an era for Arriva North West today (4/1/25), with the handover of the Wythenshawe depot and transfer of the routes operated from it to the TfGM Bee Network, to be operated by Metroline (ComfortDelGro) from 5/1/25.

Arriva do seem to be retrenching, with the previous loss of the Bolton-based services as part of the Bee Network tranche 1 franchise in 2023 and their withdrawal from Central and Eastern Cheshire in 2023 with most services passed to D&G.
 

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It is the end of an era for Arriva North West today (4/1/25), with the handover of the Wythenshawe depot and transfer of the routes operated from it to the TfGM Bee Network, to be operated by Metroline (ComfortDelGro) from 5/1/25.

Arriva do seem to be retrenching, with the previous loss of the Bolton-based services as part of the Bee Network tranche 1 franchise in 2023 and their withdrawal from Central and Eastern Cheshire in 2023 with most services passed to D&G.
Under DB, they had limited funds for investment so suggest that influenced the decision not to tender in GM.

The other retrenchments are areas where that same lack of investment and the Covid shock means that they were loss making.
 

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It is the end of an era for Arriva North West today (4/1/25), with the handover of the Wythenshawe depot and transfer of the routes operated from it to the TfGM Bee Network, to be operated by Metroline (ComfortDelGro) from 5/1/25.

Arriva do seem to be retrenching, with the previous loss of the Bolton-based services as part of the Bee Network tranche 1 franchise in 2023 and their withdrawal from Central and Eastern Cheshire in 2023 with most services passed to D&G.
St. Helens could be the next to go due to not receiving any brand new E200MMCs and Arriva could be unable to keep St. Helens due to contractual limitations for when the Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising comes into place in September 2026.
 

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No its not actually the end of Arriva Northwest as don't forget Runcorn Depot is under Arriva Northwest licence and their still operating and on speaking to one of their drivers recently he said that once Wythenshawe Depot closes that will probably just leave Runcorn as the only operational Arriva Northwest Depot now.
 

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No its not actually the end of Arriva Northwest as don't forget Runcorn Depot is under Arriva Northwest licence and their still operating and on speaking to one of their drivers recently he said that once Wythenshawe Depot closes that will probably just leave Runcorn as the only operational Arriva Northwest Depot now.
Would it not be easier to transfer Runcorn to the Merseyside licence and close down North West?
 

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No its not actually the end of Arriva Northwest as don't forget Runcorn Depot is under Arriva Northwest licence and their still operating and on speaking to one of their drivers recently he said that once Wythenshawe Depot closes that will probably just leave Runcorn as the only operational Arriva Northwest Depot now.
Yep the only Arriva North West depot still left, how far Arriva have retrenched when you think a couple of years ago they had Bolton, Winsford, Macclesfield, Wythenshawe, & Runcorn, are now just left with Runcorn, but won't be surprised if Arriva one day do move Runcorn to the Arriva Merseyside licence.
 

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Would it not be easier to transfer Runcorn to the Merseyside licence and close down North West?
Would it perhaps depend on franchising? Based off current plans, Haltons franchising is delayed and therefore is there any benefits for Arriva to keep the ops licence separate for a sale (if they wish to focus on franchising) or keep separate for paperwork with other operators taking over Merseyside franchising?
 

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Arriva's no 5 Mold to Ellesmere Port (via Cheshire Oaks) service is to be cut back from Jan 26 and will only serve the section in Flintshire between Mold and Deeside Industrial Park. This is due to funding cuts by Flintshire County Council.

I have yet to see any evidence to suggest the Cheshire West and Chester Council are going to step in and salvage some or all of the axed route. It will leave the Wolverham area of Ellesmere Port, which is not the wealthiest, with no buses at all (except on Sundays).
 

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Arriva's no 5 Mold to Ellesmere Port (via Cheshire Oaks) service is to be cut back from Jan 26 and will only serve the section in Flintshire between Mold and Deeside Industrial Park. This is due to funding cuts by Flintshire County Council.

I have yet to see any evidence to suggest the Cheshire West and Chester Council are going to step in and salvage some or all of the axed route. It will leave the Wolverham area of Ellesmere Port, which is not the wealthiest, with no buses at all (except on Sundays).
I did see Arriva wales put a cancellation notice via VOSA for the 5 and registration of a 11A? From Deeside to Mold

I believe wolverham be covered by the new Stagecoach 6 that's also covering parts of the E7 and 23 from later this month
 

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Arriva's no 5 Mold to Ellesmere Port (via Cheshire Oaks) service is to be cut back from Jan 26 and will only serve the section in Flintshire between Mold and Deeside Industrial Park. This is due to funding cuts by Flintshire County Council.
It's funny as Cheshire West contribute towards the cost of the 5 and so it's rather strange that it's not being continued on that basis.

The new 5 timetable seems to have been put together by someone in who hasn't checked the actual passenger flows. Either that or someone is about to start wasting in the region of £30-£40k per year on additional school buses (if so, what an absolute joke). The Mold Campus bus picks up most of it's kids in Garden City yet the school trips now won't serve Garden City.
People in Garden City will be forced to walk from Station Road to Queensferry Asda for the bus, or wait for irregular P&O Lloyds bus which doesn't serve most of Garden City.
People going to the industrial estate for work can no longer do so either as there's only 1 bus now which will be for a 10pm shift change (which is funny as there is no late evening service now, and the authority is screaming poverty and apparently making these cuts to save money, but somehow they have funds for evening services in the new timetable!)

Flintshire did this to themselves. Arriva put in a silly high bid and somehow won and now Flintshire can't sustain it. It was always going to be the case and I could have predicted this a long time ago. The service has been hacked at so much to the current bare bones service, and no one can rely upon it anymore as it doesn't serve most demand points. Claps all round for Flintshire Council, killing off core bus services one at a time. It genuinely scares me to think they will get more powers when franchising comes in! It's beyond incompetence now.

I have yet to see any evidence to suggest the Cheshire West and Chester Council are going to step in and salvage some or all of the axed route. It will leave the Wolverham area of Ellesmere Port, which is not the wealthiest, with no buses at all (except on Sundays).
To think in 2016 there was an every 20 minute service there. Slowly hacked away at by Stagecoach (when the 6 came off and was replaced by the 5/5A) and then further hacked away at because of these tenders. Such a shame really as the services in the area were well used under GHA.

I did see Arriva wales put a cancellation notice via VOSA for the 5 and registration of a 11A? From Deeside to Mold
The 11A is a new hourly Chester to Deeside Campus service (with 1 morning extension to Flint). It slots nicely into the service from Chester creating a 15/15/30 frequency. Towards Chester though, it's a bit of a mess with the gaps being 21/9/30.
 

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Arriva has purchased a number of E200 MMC buses from Warringtons Own Buses were they are being replaced by new electric buses. Seen at St Helens Depot so far are 203, 204, 208, 210, 211 and 212.
 

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Arriva has purchased a number of E200 MMC buses from Warringtons Own Buses were they are being replaced by new electric buses. Seen at St Helens Depot so far are 203, 204, 208, 210, 211 and 212.
Heard these are getting full Arriva spec interior (removal of sofa at back) and obviously hanover seat equipment) then being moved to I believe Arriva Midlands
 

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Heard these are getting full Arriva spec interior (removal of sofa at back) and obviously hanover seat equipment) then being moved to I believe Arriva Midlands

Arriva Yorkshire is what I heard - replacements for their B7RLEs.
 

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Cheshire West have put together an emergency replacement service 101/101A covering the route through Wolverham and on to Deeside Industrial Park (but not onwards to Mold). Interestingly the 101A does not go around the Cheshire Oaks loop.
 

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Cheshire West have put together an emergency replacement service 101/101A covering the route through Wolverham and on to Deeside Industrial Park (but not onwards to Mold). Interestingly the 101A does not go around the Cheshire Oaks loop.
What a messy timetable. 101A not going around Cheshire Oaks seems daft, and not sending the 101A around Deeside Industrial Estate makes it basically useless for the industrial workers which is a huge missed opportunity (as there is time in the timetable to do it).

Sad to think how many major route revamps Stanney has gone through since GHA ceased. And despite the housing developments around here, no attempt has been made to get these new residents onto the buses.
 

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Cheshire West have put together an emergency replacement service 101/101A covering the route through Wolverham and on to Deeside Industrial Park (but not onwards to Mold). Interestingly the 101A does not go around the Cheshire Oaks loop.
Instead of 101 why not just register 102/3 for 7 days as that covers Wolverham would make more sence
 

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Instead of 101 why not just register 102/3 for 7 days as that covers Wolverham would make more sence
102/103 don't cover the cross border links over to Deeside. Plus the 102/103 would needlessly duplicate over the core bus network Mon-Sat.

What would be a better suggestion (and of course with local authorities, anything which makes sense is instantly dismissed) is to have the 2 run Chester to Eport on a Sunday and interwork that onto the 101. Still 2 buses (As per the 102/103) but would make Sundays better reflect the core bus network.
 

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102/103 don't cover the cross border links over to Deeside. Plus the 102/103 would needlessly duplicate over the core bus network Mon-Sat.

What would be a better suggestion (and of course with local authorities, anything which makes sense is instantly dismissed) is to have the 2 run Chester to Eport on a Sunday and interwork that onto the 101. Still 2 buses (As per the 102/103) but would make Sundays better reflect the core bus network.
That or extend the 6 back around wolverham as it originally was and have a 111 to do the deeside parts from the port not 101A
 

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Green Lane have started running dedicated buses for the football matches from Liverpool ONE to Anfield / Goodison numbered 926 and 927. The 26/27 buses suffer particularly when the footy is on and this is designed to alleviate some of the issues.
 

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I rode one of the Merseytravel Metro liveried E200MMCs yesterday, 2760 in Birkenhead.

It still had standard Arriva interior rather than one inspired by Merseytravel.
 

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I rode one of the Merseytravel Metro liveried E200MMCs yesterday, 2760 in Birkenhead.

It still had standard Arriva interior rather than one inspired by Merseytravel.
Yes as these are fully owned by Arriva and not Merseytravel
 

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Green Lane have started running dedicated buses for the football matches from Liverpool ONE to Anfield / Goodison numbered 926 and 927. The 26/27 buses suffer particularly when the footy is on and this is designed to alleviate some of the issues.
They'll also be running buses to the new Everton Stadium, the 929 from Liverpool ONE and 939 from Bootle Bus Station. Test events are planned through spring and then once the stadium is open properly, they'll be on for matches and other events.
 

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They'll also be running buses to the new Everton Stadium, the 929 from Liverpool ONE and 939 from Bootle Bus Station. Test events are planned through spring and then once the stadium is open properly, they'll be on for matches and other events.
Good to see Arriva trying something new. Stagecoach have had a stronghold on the football buses since they took over Peoplesbus (and before that they still had a pretty decent stronghold). Everyone is going to be fighting for space at the new terminal to get the best stop for the shuttles.

I know Stagecoach have already registered their services for Bramley Moor, including a Bootle service, so given it's a new link (Bootle doesn't have any specific football buses now), it will be interesting to see if there is room for both operators on the Bramley Moor - Bootle service.
 

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Good to see Arriva trying something new. Stagecoach have had a stronghold on the football buses since they took over Peoplesbus (and before that they still had a pretty decent stronghold). Everyone is going to be fighting for space at the new terminal to get the best stop for the shuttles.

I know Stagecoach have already registered their services for Bramley Moor, including a Bootle service, so given it's a new link (Bootle doesn't have any specific football buses now), it will be interesting to see if there is room for both operators on the Bramley Moor - Bootle service.
With the new parking restrictions being brought in around the Bramley Moore area which are quite extensive it will probably require both operators to operate the services. Obviously many fans will use Sandhills raiilway station which is about 800 yards from the stadium.
 

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