Avanti West Coast Rolling Stock Updates

[507020]

Next Tuesday running a Blackpool to Carlisle service and back strangely. It’s showing as a passenger service but it’s just for engineers. The engineers are going to test the tilt on it on the north of the Mainline

Next Tuesday is now tomorrow and it shows on RTT that it will be operated by 390152, not 390125, so is it also refurbished or is this a mistake?

 

[Trackman]

Next Tuesday is now tomorrow and it shows on RTT that it will be operated by 390152, not 390125, so is it also refurbished or is this a mistake?

Doubt it’s a refurb, the second one in is 390123.

 

[507020]

Doubt it’s a refurb, the second one in is 390123.

It now says it didn’t run due to a planning error

 

[childwallblues]

At Warrington Bank Quay today the 1322 {ex GLC} to Euston was Voyager 221103 obviously substituting for a Pendolino.

 

[Scotrail314209]

At Warrington Bank Quay today the 1322 {ex GLC} to Euston was Voyager 221103 obviously substituting for a Pendolino.

Think there were a few today. The 0705 Wolverhampton to Euston was 5 coaches (221114) instead of an 11 car 390.

 

[voyagerdude220]

At Warrington Bank Quay today the 1322 {ex GLC} to Euston was Voyager 221103 obviously substituting for a Pendolino.

390016 failed on Polmadie this morning, with only 221103 spare. 103 returned north on the 16:57 Euston to Glasgow.

Something similar happened one day last week as well.

 

[Trackman]

It now says it didn’t run due to a planning error

RTT is showing 390152 ran today from Carlisle to Blackpool (and left 49 minutes early).

Realtime Trains | 1T68 1800 Carlisle to Blackpool North | 05/04/2022

Real-time train running information for 1T68 1800 departure from Carlisle to Blackpool North on 05/04/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

I wonder if it was 390125 and someone put the 2 and the 5 in the wrong way around.

 

[507020]

RTT is showing 390152 ran today from Carlisle to Blackpool (and left 49 minutes early).

How did it get to Carlisle if the morning service was cancelled?

I wonder if it was 390125 and someone put the 2 and the 5 in the wrong way around.

I did wonder if that was the planning error that prevented it from running. I was considering going to look at it at Preston.

 

[SansHache]

390125 (the first refurbished train) is still at Longsight. 390152 is being used for special tests (not related directly to the refurbishment programme) running between Carnforth and Carlisle.

 

[Some guy]

390125 (the first refurbished train) is still at Longsight. 390152 is being used for special tests (not related directly to the refurbishment programme) running between Carnforth and Carlisle.

correct I spoke to an Alstom staff member and they said they’re testing the tilt on set 52 between Carlisle and carnforth they can’t store it in Preston or Carlisle overnight so it’s being kept in Blackpool overnight

 

[507020]

correct I spoke to an Alstom staff member and they said they’re testing the tilt on set 52 between Carlisle and carnforth they can’t store it in Preston or Carlisle overnight so it’s being kept in Blackpool overnight

Why are they testing the tilt when it hasn’t been refurbished?

 

[Trackman]

correct I spoke to an Alstom staff member and they said they’re testing the tilt on set 52 between Carlisle and carnforth they can’t store it in Preston or Carlisle overnight so it’s being kept in Blackpool overnight

It's just about leave Carlisle now to Oxley, I guess the testing is now over.

 

[SansHache]

Why are they testing the tilt when it hasn’t been refurbished?

Validation of a long-planned Tilt software update to incorporate additional remote condition monitoring amongst other features. This will allow the trains to identify potential track defects. All part of the plans to use service trains to continuously monitor the condition of the infrastructure where possible.

 

[43301]

Validation of a long-planned Tilt software update to incorporate additional remote condition monitoring amongst other features. This will allow the trains to identify potential track defects. All part of the plans to use service trains to continuously monitor the condition of the infrastructure where possible.

How do they do that? Something along the lines of sensing unexpected vibration through the wheelsets / bogies?

 

[SansHache]

How do they do that? Something along the lines of sensing unexpected vibration through the wheelsets / bogies?

Each vehicle is fitted with accelerometers that are already used as part of the tilt control. With the current software, excessive acceleration alarms cause the tilt system to be shut down.
Lower level warning signals are now being introduced that will flag up locations that may indicate track or ride quality issues. This will not affect tilt operation but will utilise the train sensors to perform infrastructure monitoring.
The costs of safety-related software validation require a positive business case to be demonstrated in order to progress such changes.

 

[aleandrail]

Is 221143 still due to re-enter service in late March as previously mentioned?

Thanks.

221143 on test run 12th April. To Crewe and back

 

[350101]

221143 on test run 12th April. To Crewe and back

Great. Thank you for the reply.

 

[43301]

Each vehicle is fitted with accelerometers that are already used as part of the tilt control. With the current software, excessive acceleration alarms cause the tilt system to be shut down.
Lower level warning signals are now being introduced that will flag up locations that may indicate track or ride quality issues. This will not affect tilt operation but will utilise the train sensors to perform infrastructure monitoring.
The costs of safety-related software validation require a positive business case to be demonstrated in order to progress such changes.

Thanks.

Do they monitor voltage levels and physical condition of the OHL too?

 

[dereksingh291]

Is 221143 also having a full Avanti West Coast livery like the 390 Pendolinos?

 

[Chiltern006]

no it’ll have one on par with the rest of the voyagers

 

[SansHache]

Thanks.

Do they monitor voltage levels and physical condition of the OHL too?

Two Class 390 trains are fitted with instrumented pantographs to monitor the condition of the OLE.
In recent years we have also been analysing Traction fault data from across the fleet to identify locations with potential OLE issues. All trains are fitted with pantograph cameras and the images can be reviewed to ascertain the performance when such faults occur. This also means that when a defect is identified the repair teams can be sent to the precise location rather than having to search a wider area.

 

[LowLevel]

390125 is currently parked next to the running lines at Longsight. Looks rather smart having just trundled past it, all the interior lights are on. Seats look good.

 

[tornado]

390125 is currently parked next to the running lines at Longsight. Looks rather smart having just trundled past it, all the interior lights are on. Seats look good.

Photos? (sorry i'm impatient to check out the refurb)

 

[LowLevel]

Photos? (sorry i'm impatient to check out the refurb)

Not really in a position to get them unfortunately!

 

[Trackman]

Photos? (sorry i'm impatient to check out the refurb)

There are some photos up thread if you look.

 

[SansHache]

The second refurbished train (390123) is also at Longsight having left Widnes on 18th March.

 

[Blindtraveler]

I'd be very interested from a purely being nosy point of you to learn what sort of trouble or problems they encountered during the refurbishment and how they sold them.

 

[The_Train]

The second refurbished train (390123) is also at Longsight having left Widnes on 18th March.

Is this confirmed anywhere?

 

[Huntergreed]

Given that the expected start date for 390125 in service was 'mid to late April' a few weeks ago, does anyone have an update on when this is scheduled, or has it been delayed, yet again?

 

[TheBigD]

Reported in May's Modern Railways that 2 x 221 will go off lease from Avanti in June.