Avanti West Coast Rolling Stock Updates

[NSEWonderer]

I'm sure a small green LED is going to be really easy to see next to the screen with a bright green back-light.

Shame they didn't change them to the white text on black OLED ones.

Similar to this?

 

[Energy]

Similar to this?

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Almost, I'd go with the black and white switched.

 

[NSEWonderer]

Almost, I'd go with the black and white switched.

Hmm something like this I see, tho I can see why it would be a bit hard to do so interms of the contrast between the wall and the screen area.

 

[AJDesiro]

Hmm something like this I see, tho I can see why it would be a bit hard to do so interms of the contrast between the wall and the screen area.

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I think the most ideal non-LCD solution would have been to use similar displays to those in voyagers just with the traffic lights, they're far easier to read.

 

[Energy]

Hmm something like this I see, tho I can see why it would be a bit hard to do so interms of the contrast between the wall and the screen area.

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I was thinking more like this


Or even E-ink.

 

[NSEWonderer]

I was thinking more like this
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Or even E-ink.

Ah I see that is nice

I think the most ideal non-LCD solution would have been to use similar displays to those in voyagers just with the traffic lights, they're far easier to read.

Yeh indeed

 

[py_megapixel]

I don't think it's a good idea to use identically shaped lights for both reserved and unreserved status. Surely that's a nuisance for colourblind people.

You could use some sort of schematic symbol - for example, a red filled circle for "reserved" and an green open circle for "unreserved".

 

[Bletchleyite]

I don't think it's a good idea to use identically shaped lights for both reserved and unreserved status. Surely that's a nuisance for colourblind people.

Colourblind people can just read the text on the display.

 

[py_megapixel]

Colourblind people can just read the text on the display.

But so can people with full colour vision.

The lights have a slightly different function to the display - they make it easier for passengers to see unreserved seats at a glance, which some small text on an LCD doesn't really allow. It seems reasonable that if possible it should be designed so that colourblind people have access to this functionality as well.

 

[Bletchleyite]

But so can people with full colour vision.

The lights have a slightly different function to the display - they make it easier for passengers to see unreserved seats at a glance, which some small text on an LCD doesn't really allow. It seems reasonable that if possible it should be designed so that colourblind people have access to this functionality as well.

I can't see how that would be possible. A different shape isn't useful the length of a coach away.

 

[AJDesiro]

But so can people with full colour vision.

The lights have a slightly different function to the display - they make it easier for passengers to see unreserved seats at a glance, which some small text on an LCD doesn't really allow. It seems reasonable that if possible it should be designed so that colourblind people have access to this functionality as well.

The majority of people are not colourblind, so in over 90% of cases this is a non-issue. Colourblind people can simply read the text, I don’t think it would be very easy to have different shaped lights, when that destroys the point of being able to do a quick glance down the carriage for available seats.

 

[Peter0124]

LNER have colour coded reservations

 

[Energy]

But so can people with full colour vision.

The lights have a slightly different function to the display - they make it easier for passengers to see unreserved seats at a glance, which some small text on an LCD doesn't really allow. It seems reasonable that if possible it should be designed so that colourblind people have access to this functionality as well.

Green unoccupied, blue partially occupied, off for currently reserved.

Green/Blue colourblind is much rarer than Red/Green, and for the few who are they can still easily see which seats are available for part of a journey.

Green/Blue/Off is less intuitive than Green/Yellow/Red but I'm sure most passengers would realise after reading one of the screens.

 

[1nvicible]

Interesting, is that just the little coloured lights bodged onto the existing system?

Does it load any quicker?

See earlier post from SansHache, the system is completely new

 

[Pep and co]

As a frequent traveller on the WCML I've got used to hoping for an unrefurbished set as the power sockets and WIFI seems rarely to work on the modified sets. Anyone else experiencing these issues?

 

[pokemonsuper9]

As a frequent traveller on the WCML I've got used to hoping for an unrefurbished set as the power sockets and WIFI seems rarely to work on the modified sets. Anyone else experiencing these issues?

They've always worked for me when I've been on them (albeit that's only about 4 times so far)

 

[Mikey C]

Got a picture of the new seat display from 390135 at Manchester Piccadilly this evening. Screen looks the same but those new lights look really nice.

How does that work when one of the seats is reserved and the other available? Are there 2 separate lights for each line?

 

[OscarH]

As a frequent traveller on the WCML I've got used to hoping for an unrefurbished set as the power sockets and WIFI seems rarely to work on the modified sets. Anyone else experiencing these issues?

WiFi is terrible no matter what pendo I seem to get, they're just poorly designed for mobile data and WiFi. Haven't noticed it being even worse on the refurbs but it's possible

Power sockets I've not had issued with in any refurb sets though

 

[ewanh723]

How does that work when one of the seats is reserved and the other available? Are there 2 separate lights for each line?

Yes it is. Exactly like it is on the 80x units.

 

[Chiltern006]

I'm surprised the reservation screens weren't changed. Here's a couple I did about a year ago and completely forgot to share them.

(apologies for poor quality)

 

[ewanh723]

They would look great. Would match the 805s and 807s too. Also wouldbe alot easier to read.

 

[Bletchleyite]

They would look great. Would match the 805s and 807s too. Also wouldbe alot easier to read.

And probably load quicker. It's a right pain at Manchester Piccadilly when you board and have to hover around waiting to see when the reservations are going to load.

 

[APT618S]

Realtime Trains | 5Q91 0828 Merchant Park Sidings to Oxley Car. M.D. | 26/09/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q91 0828 departure from Merchant Park Sidings to Oxley Car. M.D. on 26/09/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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56081+805005
5Q91 0828 Merchant Park - Oxley

 

[Roger B]

And probably load quicker. It's a right pain at Manchester Piccadilly when you board and have to hover around waiting to see when the reservations are going to load.

A great frustration at either end of the line - or indeed anywhere you board.
Is this still happening with the refurbed Pendos (apologies if I've missed anything related in previous posts)?
Seat reservation loading has been unreliable for over a decade - and possibly ever since the Pendos were introduced (but I can't trust my memory that far back). For all VT's loud trumpetting of their customer-centric values. they could never be bother to get round to sorting it, but hopefully it's being addressed as part of the refurb programme.

 

[darylyates17]

Have anymore 9 car 390s been for refurbished since the last update?

 

[AJDesiro]

Have anymore 9 car 390s been for refurbished since the last update?

If RTT is to believe, 044 left Widnes today and 050 went in to Widnes today.

Realtime Trains | 5F98 0030 Widnes Transport Tech to Edge Hill Depot | 07/10/2023

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Realtime Trains | 5F99 0241 Edge Hill Depot to Widnes Transport Tech | 07/10/2023

Real-time train running information for 5F99 0241 departure from Edge Hill Depot to Widnes Transport Tech on 07/10/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Huntergreed]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know the completion date of the 9 car sets (and by extension, the entire project).

 

[AJDesiro]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know the completion date of the 9 car sets (and by extension, the entire project).

Assuming each unit takes two weeks, and including the unit that went into Widnes today, roughly 36 weeks.

 

[SansHache]

Have anymore 9 car 390s been for refurbished since the last update?

Three 9-car trains have now completed refurbishment at Widnes, 390045, 390009 and 390044.
This leaves 18 trains remaining (390050 currently in work), with project completion in June 2024.

 

[The_Train]

If RTT is to believe, 044 left Widnes today and 050 went in to Widnes today.

Realtime Trains | 5F98 0030 Widnes Transport Tech to Edge Hill Depot | 07/10/2023

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Realtime Trains | 5F99 0241 Edge Hill Depot to Widnes Transport Tech | 07/10/2023

Real-time train running information for 5F99 0241 departure from Edge Hill Depot to Widnes Transport Tech on 07/10/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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According to the diagram for 044, it has lost 2 carriages at Widnes

Three 9-car trains have now completed refurbishment at Widnes, 390045, 390009 and 390044.
This leaves 18 trains remaining (390050 currently in work), with project completion in June 2024.

Have either 009 or 044 re-entered service or are both still at Edge Hill?