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Great read.

And an early experience of being bowled out by a Duff when you were expecting a Deltic!
 
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A great report of the ALR from 1972.

Never saw Scafell Pike myself - well done on tracking it down.

Likewise never got M55987. M55988/9/90 were regulars at Manchester Victoria, though.

Here's some spotting lists from forty yrars ago. It was Tinsley Open Day, hence the presence of the 03 and Deltic as guest exhibits. There was no Open Day at Shirebrook, but got most things there from the outside, whilst the few locos noted at Toton were on the way down the main drive seeking someone to request permission for a look round, which was not forthcoming!

15/06/80 - East Midlands sheds
TI (Open Day): 03129; 08022, 08492, 08510, 08523, 08543, 08749, 08866; 13001, 13002; 20017, 20034, 20048, 20057, 20066, 20078, 20131, 20133, 20139, 20186, 20212; 25101, 25253; 31181, 31186, 31227, 31292, 31303; 37107, 37226; 40085, 40183, 40187, 40194; 45006, 45009, 45012, 45019, 45021, 45027, 45028, 45029, 45030, 45039, 45041, 45043; 46020, 46041; 47168, 47174, 47312, 47319, 47331, 47372, 47412; 55013; 56007, 56008, 56078; 76033
SB: 08255, 08263, 08285, 08429, 08867, 08869; 20022, 20026, 20058, 20064, 20092, 20213; 31214, 31264, 31270, 31271, 31306; 37136, 37209; 47309, 47316, 47371; 56001, 56002, 56003, 56004, 56010, 56013, 56015, 56018, 56020, 56075, 56076
TO: 08320, 08330; 20042, 20159, 20162, 20164, 20189, 20190, 20193, 20197; 24061; 25092, 25121, 25252; 45140; 47425, 47442, 47515
 

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A great report of the ALR from 1972.

Never saw Scafell Pike myself - well done on tracking it down.

Likewise never got M55987. M55988/9/90 were regulars at Manchester Victoria, though.

Here's some spotting lists from forty yrars ago. It was Tinsley Open Day, hence the presence of the 03 and Deltic as guest exhibits. There was no Open Day at Shirebrook, but got most things there from the outside, whilst the few locos noted at Toton were on the way down the main drive seeking someone to request permission for a look round, which was not forthcoming!

15/06/80 - East Midlands sheds
TI (Open Day): 03129; 08022, 08492, 08510, 08523, 08543, 08749, 08866; 13001, 13002; 20017, 20034, 20048, 20057, 20066, 20078, 20131, 20133, 20139, 20186, 20212; 25101, 25253; 31181, 31186, 31227, 31292, 31303; 37107, 37226; 40085, 40183, 40187, 40194; 45006, 45009, 45012, 45019, 45021, 45027, 45028, 45029, 45030, 45039, 45041, 45043; 46020, 46041; 47168, 47174, 47312, 47319, 47331, 47372, 47412; 55013; 56007, 56008, 56078; 76033
SB: 08255, 08263, 08285, 08429, 08867, 08869; 20022, 20026, 20058, 20064, 20092, 20213; 31214, 31264, 31270, 31271, 31306; 37136, 37209; 47309, 47316, 47371; 56001, 56002, 56003, 56004, 56010, 56013, 56015, 56018, 56020, 56075, 56076
TO: 08320, 08330; 20042, 20159, 20162, 20164, 20189, 20190, 20193, 20197; 24061; 25092, 25121, 25252; 45140; 47425, 47442, 47515

For TOTON I found it is a better bet to go down the road on the other side of the main lines (parallel to the depot access road). Then up onto the huge bank overlooking the depot. Binoculars essential though. Cannot be sure it was accessible then in the early 1980s but I think it was.
 

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Toton was always a difficult depot. No passenger railway nearby, not one you could go round easily. Longsight, Stratford, Bescot I remember as being depots you could go round with a quick chat to the staff on duty.
 

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There was a period when Toton was VERY open every Sunday. The local staff had acquired a pad of depot visit permit forms, and if you turned up and asked nicely at the foreman's office he would relieve you of a few shillings and write out a depot permit for you. I think the takings went into the staff welfare fund. I vaguely recall the whole scam got stamped out when a spotter fell into an inspection pit and broke his arm!
I only managed to do this (semi official visit) once. On that day the full set of D1 - D10 were there apart from number 6, and I managed to nab a ride in D3 while it was shunting into the depot for maintenance. I was even allowed to drive it a short distance. (This took place on my second All Line Rover, the year after my exploits above).
 

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Diesel Day Dodgy Doubles! Part 3

Great Central Railway 31st March 1996


I wasn't travelling on this occasion, just a photting session at Quorn and Woodhouse. I think I might have cycled there.

The folk on the GCR obviously have a thing about pairing Hymeks and kettles. This time round it was D7076 and 6990 double-heading:

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Maintaining the West Country feel, a hydraulic pairing of 832 and D7076. Any old-school bashers have such a pair on the main line? The chap on the platform appears to be saluting:

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I also have a phot of D8098 working that day, but I don't know what else was in action. Clearly nothing big enough to make me buy a ticket!

Llangollen Railway 19th October 1996

Its strange how our weekends away always seemed to coincide with diesel events. While my other half ahd a trip on the canal, I had a day on the railway. My first move of the day was this 24/20 pairing - waiting to depart Llangollen are 24081 and D8142:

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Big draw for me that weekend was Deltic 15, and I had several runs behind Tulyar. However, someone then decided it would be a good idea to pair it up with 24081. Here they are at Glyndyfrdwy, where I had bailed off:

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I was standing on the level crossing for that shot, btw! I then had a bit of a fester, as due to a bit of over-exuberant driving at Llangollen there was a bit of a bump as D7629 + 25313 were backing on to their stock. My plan to phot the pair of rats arriving at Glyndyfrdwy were therefor dashed, as it was too dark by the time they got there. I did enjoy them for haulage, however.

Battlefield Line Railway 2nd November 1996

As it turns out, I didn't have too long to wait to photograph a double-headed Class 25 on a preserved line. Here are D5215 and 7615 backing on to their train at Shackerstone:

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The two rats also each had a run paired up with Class 20 D8048, and there was also a Gronk double with 11215 + D3236. Sadly these combos escaped my camera, but were all sampled from a droplight window.

Gloucestershire and Warwickshire Railway 7th November 1997

Finally for this selection, a day where every train I traveled on was double-headed. I had two round trips behind D7629 + D8137, and then the Bomb was swapped for a Duff for the final run. Here are 47105 and D7629 at Toddington:

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There will be another installment in a week or two...
 

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Here are a couple of shots of 55015 Tulyar.

The first is at the Rainhill 150 Years Anniversary (late May Bank Holiday 1980) seen here pulling a brake van, 86 214 and 26020 (76020, not the McRat) from the sidings at Bold Colliery just to the east of St Helens Junction.

The second is just after arriving at Liverpool Lime Street having worked through from at least York. After the HSTs were introduced on the ECML, a number of Deltics covered the transpennine services and I had several from St Helens Junction to Lime St. This was in autumn 1981.

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I think they were the most handsome locomotive ever to grace the British railway system.
 

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The first is at the Rainhill 150 Years Anniversary (late May Bank Holiday 1980)
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After the HSTs were introduced on the ECML, a number of Deltics covered the transpennine services and I had several from St Helens Junction to Lime St. This was in autumn 1981.
If you have any phots of Rocket, Sans Pareil, or Lion at the Rainhill performance, you might see me waving from the carriage windows!
I had a run out of Liverpool in August 1979 with Ballymoss. As might be expected the front coach featured a goodly number of bashers, and the carriage windows were wide open. The driver took it very gently off the platform end (as was normal when pulling away with a Deltic) then we were routed via the small single-bore tunnel, where the engines were opened up. The results were spectacular, with clag filling the coach, and the howl from the Deltic competing with the spluttering coughs of the bashers!
As you say, beautiful charismatic locos, with a hint of insanity.
 

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you have any phots of Rocket, Sans Pareil, or Lion at the Rainhill performance, you might see me waving from the carriage windows!

Oh excellent. There will be a Rainhill Trials special at some point.
 

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Home Sweet Home part 2

Here are a few photos from October 1981 when I was just moving away from spotting towards bashing. I'd obviously started to get a liking for 40s and it would be a very rare day that didn't see several lined up in Arpley Sidings. All these Arpley shots are from 17th October.

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Here are 40 198, 40 166 and 40 181 with Arpley signal box in the background. 166 was my last 40 for sight. It was a Haymarket loco at one point.

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40 129 and an unidentified 40 taken from the other end of the sidings. This was a Saturday so less busy than midweek, but there would have been movement on and off the sidings all day.

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40 087 and 40 198 (again) from the back of the yard. 087 would be withdrawn the following summer.

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40 166, 40 087, 40 198, 25 218 and, trying to hide, 08 472 with the iconic Gartons/Snotrag building to the right. The company name was in massive white letters across the roof and Gartons spells Snotrag backwards. It was a seed works.

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25 235 and 40 198 from just in from of Snotrag. I seemed to have had free rein to wander about!

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The previous Sunday, 11th October, 40 127 is seen here at Bank Quay with the also iconic Crosfields/Lever Bros factory in the background. 127 was only to last 4 months being withdrawn on Valentine's Day 1982.

More Warrington nostalgia soon...
 

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Diesel Day Dodgy Doubles! Part 4

East Lancs Railway 5th July 1998


This was a day of quality, rather than quantity, although it did start of in dodgy style with an 03/08 pairing in the shape of D2062 and D3232. I had them from Bury to Ramsbottom, which was enough of a trundle. Eagle eyed readers will recognise this phot from the June photo competition:

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The rest of the day was solid EE power and serious double-headers. I never had a pair of 40s on the mainline, but enjoyed a round trip behind D345 and D200. Seen here at Rawtenstall:

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I'd also not had a pair of Hoovers on the mainline, but a round trip behind 50015 and 50033 showed me what it would have been like. Pairs of 50s used to be common in Lancashire, but that was way before my time. Here they are waiting to set of from Bury:

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I rounded off the day with a return journey behind D9019. A great day out.

Gloucestershire and Warwickshire Railway 8th November 1998

A year and a day after my previous visit to the GWR I was back. On the double header front, they offered up the unlikely combo of a Teddy Bear and a Flower Pot. D9539 and D2182 seen here at Winchcombe:

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I took a dmu back to Toddington for a round trip behind 37215, and then the final run of the day was a Sulzer Type 2 pairing of 24081 and D7629. Here they are at Toddington backing on to their stock:24081 D7629.jpg

I don't recall if the Duff was working that day, but if it was I managed to avoid it!

Great Central Railway (North) 28th July 2001

Finally for this selection, a new location and a slight leap ahead in time. The organisers followed the trick of sending out a pair of Gronks on the first train of the day to make sure all of the scratch merchants arrived bright and early. Following their exertions, D4115 and 13180 take a rest at Ruddington:

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Also in action were D9525, D8048 and visitor 37667. A nice bonus for me, as I needed the 37. It would be another 17 years before I next had a required 37, although of course I didn't realise this at the time.

That's all for this installment. One more to go, featuring a bumper set of double headers from the East Lancs. Stay tuned...
 

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Diesel Day Dodgy Doubles! Part 5

East Lancs Railway 8th July 2000


I have saved the best(?) until last. The theme of this day appeared to be "stick any two random locos together on the front of a train". All photos taken at Ramsbottom

OK, so a pair of Type 3s sounds reasonable, but on this occasion it was a Hymek paired with a Syphon. D7076 (previously pictured paired with a kettle on the GCR) leads 37038:

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I have had a 40 in tandem with a duff on the main line (from Perth to Stirling on the overnight from Inverness to Edinburgh/Glasgow) so the next pairing isn't totally daft. D345 heads 47052:

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A reincarnated Duff and a MacDuff. Main-line visitor 57009 paired with 57643:

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I guess a Crompton would have rescued an underpowered Ped somewhere in the West Country on occasions. Recreating the scene are 33117 and 31435:

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3000hp of English Electric. 20 + 40 is a combo I'd never seen in the real world. D8087 and D345:

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Finally (hooray!), and most bizarrely, Bodysnatcher and Western. Safe to say this was never seen in Cornwall in 1976. 57009 and D1041:

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That's all from the double-headed archives. I think next time round I'll return to my former home patch for some Class 37 action...
 

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I did the same move as you on the 57009/D1041 combination (and if Rob/Eastmidlander is reading, so did he). Underwhelmed by the spindryer noise from the 57, we'd probably adjourned to the Railway Hotel for a pint by the time the photo was taken....
 

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Tyneside Syphons '86 - Part 1

I bought my first SLR camera in the summer of 1986 and soon put it to use. While I did photograph a variety of locomotive classes, many of my shots were of 37s. Here is a selection from around my home patch.

First up - 18th July, my first day with the camera - Thornaby 'white stripe' pair 37063 and 37095 "British Steel Teesside" at Low Fell Junction with empties from Workington to Lackenby. 63 was in traffic until 1994 and was cut up in 2001 while 95 soldiered on a bit longer, last working in 1997 or 98 and being cut up in 2005. I managed to nab both of them for haulage.

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Two days later, another Thornaby example, 37045 traverses the no-longer-there Bensham curve. This bit of track provided a route to Tyne Yard avoiding the main line. While I never traveled over it, I did have 45 for haulage. It was in traffic until 1997 and had an appointment with the torch in 2003.

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On the 23rd, 37179 passes Norwood Junction light engine. Dunston Station is out of shot behind the loco. 179 was allocated to Gateshead at the time, but only spent around a year based on Tyneside. It was soon to become 37691 and is now 37612. I require it for haulage, and just discovered that I missed out when it visited the GCR(N) last year!

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On the same day, 37263 and 37079 stand on the headshunt at Gateshead depot. The Westie indicates that 263 was allocated to Eastfield, so who knows what had brought it down to GD, while 79 was a Thornaby loco. I have had both for haulage, and while 263 is preserved at the Telford Steam Railway, 79 was cut up in 2008, some 10 years after it last worked.

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Jumping forward to 29th July, and 37129 stands in the bay platforms at Newcastle with the vans to Bristol. A 143 bendybus lurks in the background! 129 was apparently reallocated from Bristol Bath Road to Inverness two days earlier. I guess they sent it up to Newcastle to get it on its way, but then GD diagrammed it to go back to Bristol! The loco became 37669 and is now part of the WCRC fleet; it is in this guise that I have twice had it for haulage on the Scarborough Spa Express.

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It is now the first day of August, and 37158 heads a rake of ballast wagons on the freight lines 'round the back' of Newcastle Central. 158 had moved from Bristol Bath Road to March a moth earlier, but was still away from home turf. In traffic until 1998, it was cut in 2008. One that never recieved the red-pen treatment from me.

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On the same day, it's the Bristol vans again, appropriately hauled by Bath Road's 37182. Having just crossed the Tyne, the train is seen at King Edward Bridge Junction with Gateshead depot in the background. 182 became 670, remaining in traffic until 2009 and meeting its end 9 years later. With hindsight, perhaps I should have stowed away in one of those vans, as I never had 182/670 for haulage. Well, either that or I should have attended the 2004 KWVR diesel weekend. Can't have them all.

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That's all for now, but there is more to come if some kind person would post a comment so that my next post doesn't get merged with this one.

Just to create an air of mystery, I saw one of the locos in the next batch earlier this week, and had another for haulage last summer. What could they be...?
 

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Wasn't 670 the one in DB red livery that worked to Weymouth in 2010? Sure it was that one with a /4, if so I'm sorry to say I had that one ;)
 

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37670 and 37401 to Weymouth 5th Sept 2009.

Thanks for clearing that up, it seems like a long time ago now. Almost 11 years ago! I still have somewhere a cassette voice recorder with recordings of the racket from a vestibule a few coaches from the front. I need to dig that out and have a listen again...
 

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Tyneside Syphons '86 - Part 2

37670 and 37401 to Weymouth 5th Sept 2009.
That would be in my 'wilderness years', so no surprise that I missed out!

So, back to 1986...

There used to be a Carlisle - Tyne Yard "mixed freight" in the evening that was usually a Syphon but sometimes produced a Rat or MacRat. On 6th August Thornaby's 37200 produced, seen here passing Norwood Junction. This loco didn't quite make it in service through to the 21st century; it was cut up in 2009, but one cab has survived and resides in someone's garden. I did manage to have 200 for haulage two years earlier covering this very section of track on a DMU replacement turn.

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Five days later, and the same freight in the same location with Gateshead's recent acquisition 37041 on the front. You can just about see the Gateshead crest above the number. I needed 41 for haulage at this time, but less than a month later had it from Dunbar to Waverley on 1S77 sleepers only (in the BG) on the front of a failed 47632. I debt of gratitude to the guard who allowed us to board! 41 later became 37520, was in service until 2001 and was cut in 2007.

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The following day Bristol Bath Road allocated 37189 approaches Pelaw with empty tanks from Jarrow. I thought this was a working to Grangemouth, but that doesn't explain the Bristol loco on the front. 189 became 37672 and after a trip to France in 1999/2000 was eventually cut up in 2010 without troubling my red pen.

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You don't get much bigger than this! Gateshead monster 37250 approaches Dunston on 14th August on a Middlesbrough - Carlisle DMU replacement turn. I'd had it for haulage earlier in the day and then dashed home for my camera. 250 is now preserved at the Wensleydale Railway, where I enjoyed a day out behind it last summer.

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Another Syphon that has made it into preservation in Yorkshire: Thornaby-allocated 37075 at Bensham with a short rake of coal hoppers on 28th August. In the background a Class 254 trainset heads towards Newcastle. I suspect that these are wagons coming back from repair at Simonside Wagon Works, and the train will take the Bensham Curve to get to Tyne Yard without having to touch the main line. I had 75 for haulage on the big railway and more recently on the KWVR. It had the honour of being the first loco I have seen since March when I saw it at Haworth depot earlier this week.

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Finally, the following day 37259, another Thornaby loco, goes round the back at Newcastle Central with a couple of random wagons. The previous year I had enjoyed 259 paired with 121 from Waverley to Fort William and back on a 'Merrymaker' from Newcastle. 259 is still with us as part of the DRS fleet.

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I then finished off my film with shots of an 03 and a 101 and handed it in for processing. I learnt that 1/60th of a second exposure is not a good idea for moving trains! That's it for now. I think next time I'll also focus on 37s (but not exclusively so) in a different part of the country - where might it be...?
 

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Here are a couple of shots of 55015 Tulyar.

The first is at the Rainhill 150 Years Anniversary (late May Bank Holiday 1980) seen here pulling a brake van, 86 214 and 26020 (76020, not the McRat) from the sidings at Bold Colliery just to the east of St Helens Junction.

The second is just after arriving at Liverpool Lime Street having worked through from at least York. After the HSTs were introduced on the ECML, a number of Deltics covered the transpennine services and I had several from St Helens Junction to Lime St. This was in autumn 1981.

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I think they were the most handsome locomotive ever to grace the British railway system.

I was on the terraces at Rainhill to watch the procession.
Looking back I dread to think the amount of planning that went into it.
For me the Deltic was a highlight along with(bizarrely)the Class 86.
 

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I was on the terraces at Rainhill to watch the procession.
Looking back I dread to think the amount of planning that went into it.
For me the Deltic was a highlight along with(bizarrely)the Class 86.
That was a magical day for me as a young teenager watching the parade. I cherish my rubbish Instamatic 110 photos but I always have my Dad's 35mm "proper" pics to see the glorious detail. He was a good photographer.
 

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when I was in school we went to bold power station to see the locos all parked up, we were all very impressed buy it all. Two things that I found interesting was the size of the power station and I think at the time they were using little steam engines there for shunting.
 

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That was a magical day for me as a young teenager watching the parade. I cherish my rubbish Instamatic 110 photos but I always have my Dad's 35mm "proper" pics to see the glorious detail. He was a good photographer.

1980 = Instamatic photos
2020 = Instagram photos

How we've moved on!
 

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I've got a load of rubbish photos from the Rainhill Trials Anniversary, so I'll upload them over the weekend. I wonder if they'll do a 200 year anniversary. No Bold Power Station any longer of course.
 

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I've got a load of rubbish photos from the Rainhill Trials Anniversary, so I'll upload them over the weekend. I wonder if they'll do a 200 year anniversary. No Bold Power Station any longer of course.

Even Instagram might be outmoded by 2030!
 

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Ah Mr xot,
What fine reading squire. Tyneside Syphons especially, got me all nostalgic, dmu replacements, Gateshead shed, even Park Lane freight depot, all very relevant to me, as I have been known to have viewed trains of all kinds from those very locations and all are no more than a 10-30 minute walk from my house to this very day.
My friends and i used to wait at Tyne Yard for that mixed freight from Carlisle you mentioned. Stood in the middle of the bridge, peering over, looking Northwards, mostly 37s and 47s were in charge but like you say, Rats or McRats, (26s and 27s) were not uncommon, the odd Ped too. Thanks for reminding me of that turn.
Another one for the North East 37s, was one my Dad stumbled on, he was unable to sleep one night, so got ready and took his dog for a walk, about 1am he was stood peering into Tyne Yard from the road bridge, when a pair of Scottish Large logo 37s came in from the North on what he later got told was an Enterprise turn, as it pulled into the yard and stopped, he saw another set of lights coming into the yard from the south and park side by side. This also had a pair of Scottish 37s on and similar load. After about half an hour at most both would depart. Needless to say my Dad told me about it and at least once a week we'd both take the dog for a walk to see this turn. I didnt last for too long but I did cop a few of the 37s in charge on it. I have no idea where it came from or where to. A fair few years later, I was told there was 92s going into Tyne Yard on Enterprise trains in similar fashion, round about the same time, one North, one South. I was told these were Enterprises between Donnie and Millerhill. Id only recently got back into the hobby and only 92s I'd seen previous, were on test in Carlisle. So I made a habit of going yo see them. Maybe I'm blurred by nostalgia but I'd like to think, them Scottish 37s probably could've been, forerunners to that 92 turn.
Sorry if I hijacked the thread. Cracking reads there.
 
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