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Network Rail have released an update video
Beaulieu Park station July 2023 Update
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The opening of a huge £14million curved bridge that will connect a new housing estate to the A12 has been delayed. The brand new Generals Lane Bridge will connect Boreham Interchange with the Beaulieu Estate in Chelmsford after opening, which was due to be at the start of September.
God I hate the awful live sites like Kentlive and Essexlive. How many ads and rubbish can they clutter them up with?
God I hate the awful live sites like Kentlive and Essexlive. How many ads and rubbish can they clutter them up with?
Network Rail has awarded the second of two contracts to build the new railway station for Chelmsford’s Beaulieu development to J Murphy & Sons Ltd. This contract award was possible following a recent agreement between Network Rail and Essex County Council to complete the construction of the new station.
From what I gather no. Last I heard they are not going to be 775m.Question: Given that regulating points are almost non existent for freight between Shenfield and Colchester, will there be enough space to hold a freight in either platform 1 or 3 and allow passenger trains to pass via platform 2?
Thanks, seems a missed opportunity.From what I gather no. Last I heard they are not going to be 775m.
I would have thought that at the very least the Colchester Town and Ipswich services will call, which would give 2tph. I'd be surprised if they didn't stop the Braintree services as well. I don't think there's any danger of it ending up like Worcestershire Parkway: GA is a radically different operation to CrossCountry and, apart from the Norwich services and possibly the Clacton services, there isn't really anything for which one could make a case for the train to not stop, assuming it wouldn't throw the freights into disarray. It's not as if it's a tiny settlement.Without the risk of going speculative here, have we gotten any official information about what services will call? I don't think they can afford all the Norwiches to stop at what's basically another parkway, but would stopping only the 1tph Clactons actually be viable (+ the occasional all stops to Ipswich) ?
We might end up with another Worcestershire Parkway here where it'll get a decent patronage from the local residents but DfT/National Rail/GA will never actually stop the long distances (and in this instance there's no handy interchange)
Oh ok, I didn't realise there was a Colchester Town service (I thought all trains there were just Waltons and Clactons) and I had in my head that this was north of the Braintree branch but 3tph is good enough to not put one off from travelling from the station.I would have thought that at least the Colchester Town and Ipswich services will call, which would give 2tph. I'd be surprised if they didn't stop the Braintree services as well.
Fair enough, when they announced 755s for all lines I knew they were the real dealI don't think there's any danger of it ending up like Worcestershire Parkway: GA is a radically different operation to CrossCountry
Hatfield Peverel is 1tph as far as I recall, only the Ipswich services. (Edit to say: Off-peak, that is.)Oh ok, I didn't realise there was a Colchester Town service (I thought all trains there were just Waltons and Clactons) and I had in my head that this was north of the Braintree branch but 3tph is good enough to not put one off from travelling from the station.
It seems it'll get the same services as Hatfield Peverel then
On RTT it gets all Colchester Town (City)-s, some Clactons and most BraintreesHatfield Peverel is 1tph as far as I recall, only the Ipswich services.
Looking at RTT that looks like the case in the peak - sorry, I should have clarified my other post before clicking send, rather than after! It's still 1tph off-peak though, as far as I can tell.On RTT it gets Clactons and most Braintrees
Apologies, so should I, this is turning into a bit of an edit warLooking at RTT that looks like the case in the peak - sorry, I should have clarified my other post before clicking send, rather than after! It's still 1tph off-peak though, as far as I can tell.
Completely off-topic, but I was amused by the sight of the OLE tensioning weights bobbing up and down each day during the timelapse part, (approx. 1:49 - 2:01).Network Rail have released an update video
Beaulieu Park station July 2023 Update
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Only something like an aggregates train or a RHTT in the centre road.Question: Given that regulating points are almost non existent for freight between Shenfield and Colchester, will there be enough space to hold a freight in either platform 1 or 3 and allow passenger trains to pass via platform 2?
No unfortunatelyFrom what I gather no. Last I heard they are not going to be 775m.
Very much so and very short-sighted, might as well just built the station as a standard two platform station on most two track railways like Long Buckby or Chelmsford and save the number of weekend closures.Thanks, seems a missed opportunity.
video of the works taken today from a passing train.
Loops long enough to accommodate 775m freights plus connections and signal overlaps would probably exceed the land available, with the location hemmed in by White Hart Lane over bridge plus the access road to New Hall school in the south and an underbridge and neutral section at the north end.Only something like an aggregates train or a RHTT in the centre road.
No unfortunately
Very much so and very short-sighted, might as well just built the station as a standard two platform station on most two track railways like Long Buckby or Chelmsford and save the number of weekend closures.
Frankly even more reason to have built it as a two track stationLoops long enough to accommodate 775m freights plus connections and signal overlaps would probably exceed the land available, with the location hemmed in by White Hart Lane over bridge plus the access road to New Hall school in the south and an underbridge and neutral section at the north end.
Conflicts maybe but doesn't help getting close to the train in front in the case of Chelmsford. Starting at Chelmsford on the downside means you can pull out immediately behind ther previous up train having already collected your passengers and being ready to go and it also spreads people out at Chelmsford. Starting at Beaulieu means pulling out behind the previous train from there and then calling at the Up Platform at Chelmsford so now two loads of people on one platform at Chelmsford and a train that will already have people on it compared to the the Chelmsford starter.I think the plan train service wise is to accommodate the peak Chelmsford and Witham starters reversing in the centre road, which removes their current conflicts with other services at these locations.
Apparently 539m for the loop is sufficient. See post #57 in this thread and the replies immediately afterwards.Thanks, seems a missed opportunity.
Location | Direction | SLU | Metres |
Beaulieu Park Platform 1 | Up | 115 | 738 |
Beaulieu Park Platform 1 | Down | 75 | 481 |
Beaulieu Park Platform 2 | Up | 90 | 579 |
Beaulieu Park Platform 2 | Down | 88 | 564 |
Beaulieu Park Platform 3 | Up | 90 | 579 |
Beaulieu Park Platform 3 | Down | 85 | 544 |
The first draft timetable planning rules for 2025 were released recently.
Headway has increased for non-stop trains to 3½ at Beaulieu Park when following Class 6 or Class 4’s timed at 1400t or greater.
I have not been able to find any SRTs for Beaulieu Park yet, though they must have resulted in significant recalculation of allowances, given that there is now the anomaly that trains going to Platforms 1/4 at Witham from Beaulieu Park are now timed equal to or slower than the old Class 321 timings
Interesting all around
That’s been my issue with the new station having seen the network change and draft service pattern. I live equidistant to both Beaulieu and Chelmsford but the latter will still have a better service provision northbound. As a regular user of the service to Norwich before the relentless weekend closures it is still better to use the main station than Beaulieu as it gets faster and more frequent services. It seems to be built primarily for London traffic and not for services northwards. The other issue is that the GEML is pretty much closed every weekend until the station is open which signals that weekend travellers are not of primary interest. Mind that’s been going on for decades and it’s always OLE or track repairs and never settles down.On RTT it gets all Colchester Town (City)-s, some Clactons and most Braintrees
The station certainly wouldn't warrant as many services as the main station as to whether it gets as many as people are expecting we will have to wait and see.That’s been my issue with the new station having seen the network change and draft service pattern. I live equidistant to both Beaulieu and Chelmsford but the latter will still have a better service provision northbound. As a regular user of the service to Norwich before the relentless weekend closures it is still better to use the main station than Beaulieu as it gets faster and more frequent services. It seems to be built primarily for London traffic and not for services northwards.
Not the operators fault, thats down to NR and their contractors and frankly at times they need a kick up the backside for the amount of access taken. Additionally the station, it seems, has a date by which it must be open as these forthcoming five or six weeks of disruption seem particularly late notice for passengers.The other issue is that the GEML is pretty much closed every weekend until the station is open which signals that weekend travellers are not of primary interest. Mind that’s been going on for decades and it’s always OLE or track repairs and never settles down.
We have to remember that the GEML is a 2 track railway taking passenger and freight, and is at capacity so will require more maintenance than the other 4 tracks where heavy freight/slower passenger are on the slow lines and the fast lines are reserved for fast passenger.The station certainly wouldn't warrant as many services as the main station as to whether it gets as many as people are expecting we will have to wait and see.
Not the operators fault, thats down to NR and their contractors and frankly at times they need a kick up the backside for the amount of access taken. Additionally the station, it seems, has a date by which it must be open as these forthcoming five or six weeks of disruption seem particularly late notice for passengers.