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Bersham Tip Prospects

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Bersham Tip prospects

The Wrexham Leader of 5 May reports:

One of the region’s most famous industrial landmarks could become home to a new community. The former Bersham Bank Colliery site in Rhostyllen, which closed in 1986 with the loss of 300 jobs, could eventually be replaced by homes and shops.

A new passenger line and station are also a possibility, created from rail sidings which would initially be used to transport equipment needed to carry out the multi-million pound development. West Midlands-based developers Bersham (Glenside) Ltd plan to remove the huge slag heap at the site, which has been designated as 'amenity land', and prepare it for development in the future.

The company is yet to begin work to remove six million tons of burned shale, which could take between seven and nine years, but is positive it is only a matter of time before operations begin. A spokesman says: 'We have to meet a number of 'pre-start' planning conditions and there are quite detailed surveys and contracts which have to be considered. We had hoped to start work in March, but approval in some areas such as ecology and landscaping are still outstanding. We still aim to begin work as soon as possible, hopefully before the end of the year.

BGL’s plans were initially challenged by Welsh historic monuments agency Cadw, which asked for the spoil heap to be preserved as one of the few remaining of its kind. Wrexham Council also blocked the move. Lawrence Isted, the council’s head of community wellbeing and development, said: 'Wrexham Council originally objected to this application because the loss of the tip would compromise the setting of the colliery buildings, which are listed, on the site. The Assembly Government overturned this decision on appeal, subject to a number of planning conditions and a legal agreement which requires a financial contribution for the repair of the winding gear engine house and towards a museum and part of its running costs. We are now working with the company to discharge those planning conditions. The company has renewed its pledge to abide by these conditions.'

Let us hope the company is aware of the hurdlers to be overcome these days in the simple task of creating a 'new passenger line and station are also a possibility, created from rail sidings which would initially be used to transport equipment needed to carry out the multi-million pound development.' Curiously, they do not seem to say that rail will be used to move the six million tonnes of shale, which is really quite a large quantity. One train could move perhaps 1500 tonnes, meaning 4000 trains would be needed.
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In fact it is a condition that the slag is removed by rail according to the planning conditions imposed by WAG.
 
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from this weeks. http://www.nwrail.org.uk/nwnews.htm copied with full permission

Bersham Tip prospects

The Wrexham Leader of 5 May reports:

One of the region’s most famous industrial landmarks could become home to a new community. The former Bersham Bank Colliery site in Rhostyllen, which closed in 1986 with the loss of 300 jobs, could eventually be replaced by homes and shops.

A new passenger line and station are also a possibility, created from rail sidings which would initially be used to transport equipment needed to carry out the multi-million pound development. West Midlands-based developers Bersham (Glenside) Ltd plan to remove the huge slag heap at the site, which has been designated as 'amenity land', and prepare it for development in the future.

The company is yet to begin work to remove six million tons of burned shale, which could take between seven and nine years, but is positive it is only a matter of time before operations begin. A spokesman says: 'We have to meet a number of 'pre-start' planning conditions and there are quite detailed surveys and contracts which have to be considered. We had hoped to start work in March, but approval in some areas such as ecology and landscaping are still outstanding. We still aim to begin work as soon as possible, hopefully before the end of the year.

BGL’s plans were initially challenged by Welsh historic monuments agency Cadw, which asked for the spoil heap to be preserved as one of the few remaining of its kind. Wrexham Council also blocked the move. Lawrence Isted, the council’s head of community wellbeing and development, said: 'Wrexham Council originally objected to this application because the loss of the tip would compromise the setting of the colliery buildings, which are listed, on the site. The Assembly Government overturned this decision on appeal, subject to a number of planning conditions and a legal agreement which requires a financial contribution for the repair of the winding gear engine house and towards a museum and part of its running costs. We are now working with the company to discharge those planning conditions. The company has renewed its pledge to abide by these conditions.'

Let us hope the company is aware of the hurdlers to be overcome these days in the simple task of creating a 'new passenger line and station are also a possibility, created from rail sidings which would initially be used to transport equipment needed to carry out the multi-million pound development.' Curiously, they do not seem to say that rail will be used to move the six million tonnes of shale, which is really quite a large quantity. One train could move perhaps 1500 tonnes, meaning 4000 trains would be needed.
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In fact it is a condition that the slag is removed by rail according to the planning conditions imposed by WAG.

I really can't see it happening as there are many other sites that could be utilised for the same project without having to move all that shale - if it is taken on it will cost millions
 

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And these 4000 trains are going to be signalled onto an already congested/pathetic AB section between Gobowen and Croes Newydd then onto the even more restricted single line maybe?
Yeah right!!!!
 

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Can anyone on the forum give the current known state of progress, including line proposals to double some single track line, which will aid this project.

The quoted figure of six millon tons of this shale which has to be removed over a time period of seven to nine years shows the enormity of the project in terms of disposal. What is the latest news, if any, of the Welsh Assembly input since the elections were held?. Has there been any new press releases?.

Finally, where will six million tons of this shale be sent to?
 
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Can anyone on the forum give the current known state of progress, including line proposals to double some single track line, which will aid this project.

The quoted figure of six millon tons of this shale which has to be removed over a time period of seven to nine years shows the enormity of the project in terms of disposal. What is the latest news, if any, of the Welsh Assembly input since the elections were held?. Has there been any new press releases?.

Finally, where will six million tons of this shale be sent to?

1.I have no idea where the shale is to be sent to, but it appears a big market for it out there. If it is to be exported? some docks, Ellesmere port comes to mind.

2.Current the line is in Grip three, delayed almost a year, the money is from previous years budgets carried forward & ring fenced,the last Minister said redoubling will commence 2012, it is now widely presumed the redouble will be
Saltney to Rossett if the under bridge in West Cheshire is capable of double track,otherwise dynamic loops have been mentioned.
There is increasing annoyance at NRs delay, planner may tell us more.

bOB
 

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1.I have no idea where the shale is to be sent to, but it appears a big market for it out there. If it is to be exported? some docks, Ellesmere port comes to mind.

2.Current the line is in Grip three, delayed almost a year, the money is from previous years budgets carried forward & ring fenced,the last Minister said redoubling will commence 2012, it is now widely presumed the redouble will be
Saltney to Rossett if the under bridge in West Cheshire is capable of double track,otherwise dynamic loops have been mentioned.
There is increasing annoyance at NRs delay, planner may tell us more.

bOB




I was always led to believe the WAG want full redouble from wrex to saltney but 2 bridges are causing a headache. The OB over the 483 is too narrow for 2 tracks and the UB for the 483 is a fraction narrow. I read somewhere that the 2nd alternative was a dynamic loop between these points.
 

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I was always led to believe the WAG want full redouble from wrex to saltney but 2 bridges are causing a headache. The OB over the 483 is too narrow for 2 tracks and the UB for the 483 is a fraction narrow. I read somewhere that the 2nd alternative was a dynamic loop between these points.

NR are doing a study on the under bridge to see if its wide enough, the overbridge on the top of Gresford Bank is single track & wont be touched.

You are correct a dynamic loop or loops is the other alternative between Saltney & Rossett.

ATW consider the line to be North Wales worst pinch point & want it doubled.

Bob
 

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NR are doing a study on the under bridge to see if its wide enough, the overbridge on the top of Gresford Bank is single track & wont be touched.

You are correct a dynamic loop or loops is the other alternative between Saltney & Rossett.

ATW consider the line to be North Wales worst pinch point & want it doubled.

Bob

Do you think that the Welsh Assembly after the last elections see any change in prioritising the required work. I note your comments concerning the views of ATW regarding this line.
 
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