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Blackpool Heritage Tram Operations Suspended

bluegoblin7

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It's common knowledge that the heritage operation hasn't been making money since it started.

It's common knowledge that the heritage operation was using up life in cars overhauled prior to the tramway upgrade in 2021.

It's common knowledge that Rigby Road tram depot has been chronically underfunded and in need of serious work for years - indeed there were originally plans for a new heritage/B fleet/Illuminated cars depot at Starr Gate.

It's common knowledge that a skeleton engineering staff left over from the 'old era' were being retained, largely until they were expected to retire.

It's also common knowledge that the heritage operation was never planned or intended to reach the scale it did.

I don't think there's anything sinister at foot: there is (rightfully) a tightening of belts and a review of operations. It has been clear that the operation was going to need significant amounts of money putting into it for some years - across many different fronts - and this simply hasn't happened. Whilst Blackpool Transport/the heritage operation haven't covered themselves in glory with their excuses (and I do think it's safe to say that some of it is excuses) the regulatory environment has changed significantly over the last decade, coupled with the economics of running such an operation. Having an effectively 'free' source of tramcars makes a huge difference versus suddenly having to pay significant amounts for basic maintenance, and having no staff to do so. None of us who were around at 'the end' of traditional trams, or indeed are still involved in the sector, were expecting things to last this long, nor are surprised that they've now come to an abrupt halt.

It won't be the end of the heritage operation (there is absolutely still plenty of demand for seasonal specials, plus there were certain conditions attached to the Western Train's HLF grant) but it will almost certainly be far leaner and targeted than it has been. That, ultimately, is a good thing - again, the operation as it has been for the last few years, particularly immediately prior to Covid, was never sustainable.

Blackpool is not comparable to San Francisco, and never has been, before anyone posits that. At best it is a fair comparison with some of the European cities, who have heritage tram operations on a far more restrained basis.
 
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DarloRich

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the heritage operation was always above and beyond what was expected in November 2011
I have noticed a couple of comments on this score. For the benefit of an outsider:
  • what was the expectation in November 2011?
  • Is that something that would be easier to resurrect than the 2024 service?
 

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Surprised this hasn't been covered yet.

Good news- it's been announced the heritage trams will be returning for the Illuminations!

https://www.visitblackpool.com/latest-news/heritage-trams-to-return-for-lightpool-festival/
Heritage trams to return for Lightpool Festival
14 May 2025by Visit Blackpool
Blackpool Council can today confirm that heritage trams will return to the Promenade this autumn.

Last December, the heritage tram tours were temporarily suspended. Operating the heritage trams alongside the modern fleet had become increasingly challenging, with issues such as depot space, tram movements, general safety and maintenance conflicts making it difficult to continue running the service effectively.

Since then Blackpool Council has been working with Blackpool Transport Services to find a solution that would enable the heritage trams to run out of the Starr Gate depot.

A programme of works has now been agreed which will see the necessary modifications made to enable heritage trams to run from the same depot as the modern fleet.

The works are scheduled to be undertaken in time for the trams to run during the Lightpool Festival at October half-term. The award-winning festival takes place from October 15 - November 1, and features a mix of light installations, live performance and 3D projection shows, complemented by the Illuminations.

During the festival visitors and residents will be able to book tours on two illuminated trams, the Western Train and the Frigate, as well as the Balloon tram.

Cllr Lynn Williams, Leader of Blackpool Council, said: “I am delighted that we have found a solution has been found that will enable these much-loved trams to be back where they belong on the promenade later this year.

“From the outset we said that this would only be a temporary pause in the service and we would work to ensure they returned at the earliest opportunity. They are important part of the heritage of the town and the Council was always committed to securing their future.

“Lightpool is a hugely popular festival and the perfect time for visitors and residents to enjoy a tour on an illuminated heritage tram.

“I know many people have been concerned about the future of the trams and I hope this reassures them that their future is safe.”

Jane Cole, Managing Director of Blackpool Transport Services, said: “It was a difficult decision to pause our heritage tram tours but a necessary step to take stock of the operational challenges we were facing. Since December we have been working hard to find a solution and we always aimed to have the trams running again this year.

“I am confident the plan we agreed is achievable and I look forward to welcoming customers back on-board in October.”

Following the Lightpool Festival, heritage tram tours will continue to run during the Illuminations season.
 

Tramfan

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That's good news, assuming it happens, but even so it still means there'd be no illumination tours for the first 6 weeks or so of the illuminations.
 

mjc

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So pleased they’ll be back, I’ve been trying to get a Blackpool trip, including heritage tram ride, for our family for a few years. Or year just too busy with other things and last year the weekends we could do had sold out so we didn’t make it.
 

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Or year just too busy with other things and last year the weekends we could do had sold out so we didn’t make it.
That's where l I think the turn up and go timetabled service at weekends is much better. I get that by having them be bookable it provides them a better guarantee of their income, and can tailor resources accordingly, but it must put people off, and you lose the custom from people seeing a heritage tram rumbling along the prom, and decide spontaneously to go have a ride
 

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Having visited Stockholm last month it was an education in how heritage trams run for the benefit of tourists can be integrated into a modern public transport operation.
 

mjc

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That's where l I think the turn up and go timetabled service at weekends is much better. I get that by having them be bookable it provides them a better guarantee of their income, and can tailor resources accordingly, but it must put people off, and you lose the custom from people seeing a heritage tram rumbling along the prom, and decide spontaneously to go have a ride
I think there’s room for both, I don’t think I’d like the queue and cram in approach, and my wife certainly would take some persuading to do that whereas if it’s booked she’d go for it. I guess the other downside of running the heritage trams on a turn up and go basis is whether some passengers would shun the new teams and wait for the heritage ones causing capacity issues. Of course if the heritage trams could just be fun year round as part of a regular timetable then it would take the pressure off.
 

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