BR numbering in the 20000 series

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Under British Railways, were any locomotives other than the experimental diesels numbered in the 20000 series?

I know it was roughly GWR 1 - 9999, SR 3xxxx, LMS 4xxxx & 5xxxx, LNER 6xxxx, BR Standards 7xxxx, 8xxxx and 9xxxx.

Considering renumbering a model steam loco in the 28xxx series and just wondered if there was originally anything numbered in this series.

Thanks!
 
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BR had SR derived locos in the 20XXX series, NER/LNER types in 26XXX and EM2 in 27XXX. There were a couple of gas turbines in the 18XXX series. That is all I can find in a quick check.
 

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Under British Railways, were any locomotives other than the experimental diesels numbered in the 20000 series?

I know it was roughly GWR 1 - 9999, SR 3xxxx, LMS 4xxxx & 5xxxx, LNER 6xxxx, BR Standards 7xxxx, 8xxxx and 9xxxx.

Considering renumbering a model steam loco in the 28xxx series and just wondered if there was originally anything numbered in this series.

Thanks!
As mentioned 20000 series was for electric locos - no steam loco would have been numbered in that series.
 

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Ah of course! That makes sense. Ah well, I might have to apply Rule 1 and bend history a little bit! Thanks very much! :)
 

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The only steam locos numbered in a 28xxx series seem to have been on LMSR, two classes of ex-LNWR 0-6-0 that were renumbered to vacate the 8xxx number series for the Stanier 8F 2-8-0s.

BR renumbered them into a 58xxx series, but many were withdrawn before the new numbers were applied.
Some would have retained 28xxx numbers into the BR era, as there was no rush to repaint / renumber some of the older locos. (According to Baxter's "British Locomotive Catalogue", some retained 28xxx numbers until late 1950)
 

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British Railways numbered lots of Mk1 coaches in 2xxxx series

Quick check (without confirming) suggests 21000-21275 were BCK brake composites and 24000-26217 were SKs presumably with gaps to avoid duplicating the electric loco numbers
 

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British Railways numbered lots of Mk1 coaches in 2xxxx series

Quick check (without confirming) suggests 21000-21275 were BCK brake composites and 24000-26217 were SKs presumably with gaps to avoid duplicating the electric loco numbers
But these would have had a prefix in that era M, E, S, Sc, NE or W
 

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Quick check (without confirming) suggests 21000-21275 were BCK brake composites and 24000-26217 were SKs presumably with gaps to avoid duplicating the electric loco numbers
Correct.....but there were no gaps to avoid duplicating the electric loco numbers. They weren't necessary in those pre-computer days.
 

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British Railways numbered lots of Mk1 coaches in 2xxxx series

Quick check (without confirming) suggests 21000-21275 were BCK brake composites and 24000-26217 were SKs presumably with gaps to avoid duplicating the electric loco numbers
A quick check of Keith Parkin’s HMRS book on Mark 1s suggests that there were no gaps in the series, which were BCK and SK. (There are a few gaps in the Regional allocation list, but these can be logically put down to typos.)

In those days there was less worry about duplication as there weren’t computers. Just don’t duplicate the number within a region.
 

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Your engine, number it what you want. Base blue livery with a big '1' on the side if you want! :)
Ha! Not quite but it's a Bulleid Light Pacific I have in mind. Planning on renumbering and naming it after a relative whose birthday would fit nicely as a 5-digit number. Bit cheesy maybe but there we go!

The only steam locos numbered in a 28xxx series seem to have been on LMSR, two classes of ex-LNWR 0-6-0 that were renumbered to vacate the 8xxx number series for the Stanier 8F 2-8-0s.

BR renumbered them into a 58xxx series, but many were withdrawn before the new numbers were applied.
Some would have retained 28xxx numbers into the BR era, as there was no rush to repaint / renumber some of the older locos. (According to Baxter's "British Locomotive Catalogue", some retained 28xxx numbers until late 1950)
I'll take that as my justification ;) Thanks!
 

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Bevan Price said:


The only steam locos numbered in a 28xxx series seem to have been on LMSR, two classes of ex-LNWR 0-6-0 that were renumbered to vacate the 8xxx number series for the Stanier 8F 2-8-0s.

BR renumbered them into a 58xxx series, but many were withdrawn before the new numbers were applied.
Some would have retained 28xxx numbers into the BR era, as there was no rush to repaint / renumber some of the older locos. (According to Baxter's "British Locomotive Catalogue", some retained 28xxx numbers until late 1950)

I'll take that as my justification ;) Thanks!

If of any interest, here are some genuine 28xxx series numbers that BR took over from LMSR in 1948:

Webb LNWR "Coal Engine" 2F 0-6-0, introduced 1873:
28088/91/93/95/97
28100/04/05/06/07/15/16/28/33/41/52/53/58/66/72/91/99
28202/05/16/21/27/30/33/34/39/45/46/47/51/53/56/63/71/95/96
28308/09/12/13

Webb LNWR "18 inch Goods" 2F 0-6-0, introduced 1887.
(Sometimes called "Cauliflowers", because of the shape & position of the LNWR crest.)
28318/33/35/37/38/39/45/50/70/72/85/92
28403/04/08/15/17/28/30/41/42/43/50/51/57/58/60/64/84/87/92/94/99
28505/07/09/11/12/13/15/21/25/26/27/29/31/32/42/43/44/47/48/49/51
28553/55/56/59/61/75/80/83/85/86/89/92/94/97/98
28608/11/16/18/19/22

As far as I know, no "ready to run" models are available of either class.
In addition to freight, the Cauliflowers also worked passenger services on the Penrith to Keswick & Workington line (due to their low weights) until the Ivatt 2MT 2-6-0s became available.
 

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Ha! Not quite but it's a Bulleid Light Pacific I have in mind. Planning on renumbering and naming it after a relative whose birthday would fit nicely as a 5-digit number. Bit cheesy maybe but there we go!


I'll take that as my justification ;) Thanks!

Well if it's a Bulleid Light Pacific you're talking about, OVSB employed the same idiosyncratic numbering scheme that he had used for the Merchant Navy class for them. The numbers began at No. 21C101 and reached No. 21C170 at the time of nationalisation. His scheme was abolished by British Railways, which renumbered existing these 34001-34070 and new locomotives 34071-34110.
 
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