Bradford Crossrail: But Why?

[Spaceflower]

https://www.nomisweb.co.uk/

The data can be broken down by urban area however it still only has processed data up to 2011 last time I checked.

P.S. Pudsey is also within the Leeds outer ring road.

 

[Halifaxlad]

All my points would require the reopening of the line via Cleckheaton. I personally think alot of the benefits of such a Bradford crossrail would hinge on that being part of the proposal.
But this is back of the fag packet stuff on a Sunday afternoon. And I stopped smoking 7 years ago!

Or as rumoured the Pickle Bridge line.

I know there's the Manchester Victoria to Leeds and Blackpool North to York services, but what picks up the New Pudsey and Bramley calls?

Well preaumably rather than terminating at Forster Square either a Skipton, Leeds or Ikley service.

No-one seems to have mentioned how these services would be affected / tie in with the new Northern Powerhouse rail high speed Liverpool to Hull via Manchester, Bradford and Leeds.

Would one make the other unnecessary or do you need both to make the whole project work?

NPR is basically services ran by TP and it is unlikely any service to or through Bradford will be diverted away from Huddersfield & Dewsbury especially the section where billions are currently being spent on upgrading it.

I think under the IRP Bradford NPR services would be seperate from those from Leeds which would be a good thing in my opinion. Although it seems that the Council wishes to get rid of the useful termini that is Bradford Interchange so goodness knows what will happen to GC.

 

[Spaceflower]

Pickle Bridge line

Edit......Manchester

 

[Halifaxlad]

Back to the topic of the thread:

I agree that I think that the creation of a new line would be benefical to Bradford Crossrail as then Skipton and Ikley could have a fast direct service to Manchester if they so wished. As NPR services from Leeds certainly wont be going via Bradford. Perhaps this could also offer a much faster service from Colne should that be reinstated. Im not sure how much but I suspect it would also free up capacity on the Aire Valley.

As a freight route is certainly an interesting idea and would remove the need to head via Leeds. Surely that must benefical ? Freight services would still have to go via Ravensthorpe thou although shortly it won't matter as a dive under is being constructed.

I certainly wouldn't bother routing Calder Valley services through Shipley, well services to York, as for other Manchester services I can see it useful to be able to terminate services easily on the North side of Leeds station. FYI I dont have reversal anxiety as for me Im more than happy to see services carry on reversing.

Nor would I get rid of either of Bradfords existing stations both which offer useful terminating capacity. Although realigning the Interchange Eastwards slightly may be benefical.

 

[Palmerston]

My comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek. As far as I know, Network North promised a new Bradford station, and I'm not aware that's been cancelled (I think it was previously cancelled and then uncancelled once or twice). I don't actually expect anything will be built though.

 

[YorksLad12]

I know the figures for "how big a city is" but these figures from the ONS seem ridiculous. It counts Horsforth separately from Leeds for example. Horsforth is most definitely Leeds, in the ring road and part of the built up area

Horsforth has been in Leeds metropolitan district (City of Leeds) since 1974; but most of it is north of the Outer Ring Road, including the rail station.

P.S. Pudsey is also within the Leeds outer ring road.

And, like Horsforth, was not part of "Leeds" until 1974.

Oddly, if you type "Leeds" into Google Maps it doesn't show the current boundaries; Horsforth and Pudsey are both outside (Kirkstall Forge Station is only just inside). I'm drifting off-topic, but I can see why the two towns might be counted separately from "Leeds".

 

[Spaceflower]

Yes Horsforth is outside the ring road! I used to live there so curious as to how I missed that.

Maybe because I spent most of the time working in Pudsey

In fact so is Pudsey! God give me strength ..

 

[WAO]

I think that we need both a red and a green crayon for Bradford Crossrail.

The green crayon highlights the advantages of network mobility between the dispersed but populous Pennine towns situated mostly in the river valleys where the rails (and canals) run. This differs from tbe London area in that it is not focussed on a single centre. Each of the towns listed could produce a station footfall of c1M (many do). Also the elimination of lay-overs at terminals is a significant gain, as in Thameslink, Merseyrail's Link and B'hams's Cross City. A new central station would be also highly synergetic, with an attached covered shopping centre and would compete well with Leeds.

The red crayon (which at the moment must win) highlights the blocking of the cross city route, including the incline needed to match heights, by modern developments, which an intelligent City planning policy could have avoided.

The Joker of course is the proposed new (third?) station (Adolphus Street?).

Bra'ford has chosen roads over rails, so must live with the result.

WAO

 

[Halifaxlad]

Im not going to bother with crayons but if I did get them out I would draw a map representing the following services.

Manchester - Huddersfield - Bradford - Skipton

Colne - Skipton - Bradford - (New line) - Ravensthorpe services to Draxx.

 

[WAO]

Drax?

WAO