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Bridge strike at Plymouth (30/08)

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Deafdoggie

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And they would be correct. As a safety margin, the signed height is always at least 3" or 0.08 m less than the measured height. BUT, drivers are not supposed to intentionally take advantage of that safety margin.
It depends. There is a 10' 4" bridge locally that 10' buses won't fit under. Neither buses nor bridge are incorrectly marked, it's due to a dip in the road. Things like this mean a bridge strike isn't automatically the drivers fault.
 
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In terms of tall vehicles, it’s still the driver who is responsible for the vehicle while they are in charge of it. I drive high roof transit type vans. These don’t fit under all the railway bridges in the Bath area. If I’m not sure if there is enough clearance, I don’t put my foot down and hope for the best. I stop and check.

Obviously in some cases, there may be reasons that led to a driver being misled and hence the result is a bridge strike.

Without knowing more details, it’s not really possible to know for certain for any individual case. As others have said, a proper investigation should be done.

Having said that, it’s also clear that the current systems could be improved, given the number of bashed bridges that get repeatedly hit.

Now with some of these bridges, the vast majority of the time, the typical vehicle that hits them will not actually cause any structural damage. The mass and strength of the bridge being significantly greater than that of the truck/lorry that typically hits them. Hence the risk is low to the railway. In these cases, the railway can resume running trains fairly quickly.

Technical solutions may be possible in some locations (physical protection, automatic warning). But I do feel that given the number of reported incidents (let alone the number of unreported incidents), driver education is clearly inadequate.

Driver education and training/refresher training should be improved and companies that operate vehicle fleets should be required to demonstrate compliance with an suitable education/training/refresher training programme. As part of this programme, both driver managers and drivers should learn about the dangers of low bridges and the effects of a bridge strike. As well as other defensive driving techniques.

Unfortunately, I fear that this problem will continue, as unless and until there is a change in the law, nothing will be done that will make any significant difference.

I say this, because the problem is not new. BR and then the privatised contract companies that followed trained up lots of front line staff to be first responders to bridge bash/strikes because the problem was so bad.
 

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Linking back to another current issue, the HGV driver shortage is I think going to lead to an increase in bridge bashes. There is significant pressure to get as many people through the HGV training process as possible. Inevitably the standard of education will suffer. Couple this with a lot of newly qualified inexperienced drivers hitting the road at once and it's not looking promising. We need to reopen the ability to hire experienced drivers from Europe.
 

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whilst not based in the UK [it's in the U.S.]there's a YouTube site called 11'8". It has some webcamstrained on a railbridge over in the States and is quite homourous watchign these assorted tall vehicles striking the bridge. It has allthe warning signs, flashing lights, wasp stripped girder in front of it and you still see plenty of strikes, I say homourous as despite all the precautions taken, they all happen mainy due to the "human element" in the equation.,
 

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Today's Times has an article, "Lorry drivers could get road ban for crashing into railway bridges" (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...n-for-crashing-into-railway-bridges-53pj5m9nb).

However it's full of conditional phrases such as "Licenses could be revoked" (my italics):

"Network Rail said it would seek to recover costs from the operators of HGVs involved in avoidable crashes" - so it won't actually get anything. (I suspect that this particular case might be one in which costs can be recovered, if the deep pockets of Tesco can be tapped, but in many cases I don't suspect HGV operators could ever come up with anything like appropriate recompense - for this particular case in Plymouth are we talking of somewhere between £1m and £10m I wonder?)

"It will also report bridge strikes to the Traffic Commissioners for Great Britain, the regulator responsible for licensing professional drivers, which has the power to suspend or revoke licences" - so they won't actually be either suspended or revoked.

Lorry drivers could get road ban for crashing into railway bridges
Graeme Paton, Transport Correspondent

Saturday September 04 2021, 12.01am, The Times

Negligent HGV drivers face being banned from the road because of concerns over the chaos caused by lorries hitting low railway bridges.

Licences could be revoked and HGV operators served with six-figure bills as part of a plan to cut the number of hugely disruptive bridge strikes.

Figures published by Network Rail show that 1,624 bridges were hit by vehicles — usually HGVs or buses — in the year to the end of March. This was more than four a day on average, despite a sharp drop in traffic during the period because of the pandemic.

Many incidents have been attributed to drivers following basic sat-navs on unfamiliar roads without paying attention to bridge height restrictions.

Rail services in and out of the southwest of England were disrupted after a Tesco lorry became wedged beneath a bridge in Plymouth on Monday. Only one train an hour could run in each direction at reduced speed on the main line through Devon and Cornwall. Repairs were expected to have been completed by last night.

Also this week, trains were disrupted throughout mid-Wales when a construction lorry hit a railway bridge in Machynlleth, Powys, on Wednesday morning.

Network Rail said that bridge strikes can cost about £23 million a year in structural repairs as well as compensation to passengers for cancelled or delayed services. Its figures showed that the most costly incident in the past 12-month period happened on January 30 when a vehicle hit a bridge in Haymarket, Edinburgh, costing £155,690.

One bridge was hit by vehicles 25 times last year, official figures show. The 15ft-high bridge spanning Watling Street in Hinckley, Leicestershire, carries passenger and freight trains between Leicester and Birmingham. Another bridge on Bromford Road, next to Sandwell & Dudley railway station in the West Midlands, was hit 24 times.

Network Rail said it would seek to recover costs from the operators of HGVs involved in avoidable crashes. It will also report bridge strikes to the Traffic Commissioners for Great Britain, the regulator responsible for licensing professional drivers, which has the power to suspend or revoke licences.

Sir Peter Hendy, Network Rail’s chief executive, said: “A lorry or bus hitting a railway bridge isn’t an accident. It’s a failure of professional operators and drivers to properly plan their routes and know the height of their vehicles, and can cause fatalities and serious injuries for road users, delays for both road and rail travellers, and could cause a catastrophic railway accident.

“Network Rail looks to recover the entire cost of such incidents from operators and drivers, and also reports all of them to the traffic commissioners for consideration of enforcement and licence revocation.”

The total number of bridges hit in the 12 months to March 31 — 1,624 — was a 9 per cent drop on the previous year, when the figure was 1,787. However, it covered a period in which HGV traffic dropped by as much as 40 per cent compared with pre-pandemic levels.

Rod McKenzie, managing director of policy and public affairs at the Road Haulage Association, said specialised lorry sat-navs already gave bridge heights and urged HGV drivers to make more use of them rather than relying on mapping apps found on smartphones.

However, he added: “We have not got much sympathy for people who hit bridges because they should know the height of their truck and trailer and know when they see a road sign indicating a low bridge ahead that they need to be careful.”
 
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whilst not based in the UK [it's in the U.S.]there's a YouTube site called 11'8". It has some webcamstrained on a railbridge over in the States and is quite homourous watchign these assorted tall vehicles striking the bridge. It has allthe warning signs, flashing lights, wasp stripped girder in front of it and you still see plenty of strikes, I say homourous as despite all the precautions taken, they all happen mainy due to the "human element" in the equation.,
That’s quite a familiar channel, it’s regularly referred to in this type of thread, as it was in post #78 in this one…
 

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"Network Rail said it would seek to recover costs from the operators of HGVs involved in avoidable crashes" - so it won't actually get anything. (I suspect that this particular case might be one in which costs can be recovered, if the deep pockets of Tesco can be tapped, but in many cases I don't suspect HGV operators could ever come up with anything like appropriate recompense - for this particular case in Plymouth are we talking of somewhere between £1m and £10m I wonder?)
That's why they're required to have insurance, like every other vehicle on public roads.
 

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It did cross my mind to stay in Totnes on Monday night, but it wasn't practical for a number of reasons.

I'd also previously been quoted upwards of £90 for a room in one of the hotels well before the actual trip, as I had been thinking of making it a two day rather than a one day trip. As there aren't that many hotels in Totnes to start with, I also thought that there was a good chance that they'd become fully booked very quickly, so decided that it wasn't a practical proposition, especially as I had to get to work on the Tuesday morning.

I paid £80 for my taxi from Totnes to Exeter, which was a discounted rate. A fare of £150 from Newton Abbot to Plymouth is, whilst it sounds like a lot - and is, if you're faced with a bill all of a sudden - quite possibly okay. One thing to bear in mind is that a driver who takes a long distance trip is out of service both for the outward journey and for the return one, because they wouldn't be allowed to take a fare back and would have to return empty.
Not necessarily true, if that driver was me I would head for Plymouth Station find passengers and tell them to call my office and book me.
 

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Linking back to another current issue, the HGV driver shortage is I think going to lead to an increase in bridge bashes. There is significant pressure to get as many people through the HGV training process as possible. Inevitably the standard of education will suffer. Couple this with a lot of newly qualified inexperienced drivers hitting the road at once and it's not looking promising. We need to reopen the ability to hire experienced drivers from Europe.
What about Mr Farages sunlit uplands? OR can we say he can put it where those sunlit uplands don't shine?
 

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Given the offences reported against continental HGV drivers, I am not so sure that that will work. A classic (some years ago) was at Bentley (Hants) when a Dutch lorry struck a bridge just in time to cause cancellation of the first Up train. In court by 9 am, drunk in charge!
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It depends. There is a 10' 4" bridge locally that 10' buses won't fit under. Neither buses nor bridge are incorrectly marked, it's due to a dip in the road. Things like this mean a bridge strike isn't automatically the drivers fault.
In which case, the height was measured wrong. Dips should have been allowed for.
 

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As the line has now reopened this thread is locked.

If anyone wishes to discuss any other topic, such as the lorry driver crisis, or issues relating to bridges with incorrect signage, or anything else, please do! We just ask that you create a new thread (or use an existing one, if there is one).

Many thanks :)
 
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