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Broken Rail at Edinburgh ,-28/04/2023

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Warrior2852

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According to Network Rail on Twitter it's not a normal rail, it's a specialist part on a crossing, and needs a complete replacement so it'll be disrupted until at least tomorrow.
Overnight, during an inspection, we found a defect on a crossing – a rail that allows trains to swap tracks. It’s a chunky and bespoke part made from cast or fabricated steel. Unlike a normal rail, we can’t make a temporary repair to get trains running, we need to replace it.
 
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See a broken rail is causing problems southbound on the East Coast from Edinburgh. Why are there more problems of broken rails, is it poor maintenance checks?
From the tweet it appears it's good maintenance checks that caught the problem before a train came to grief!
 

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Single line working out of Edinburgh over a stretch of 5 miles.
 

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Full ticket acceptance amongst operators with no XC services operating north of Newcastle today it should be a relaxed day for their Scottish based crews.
 

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Full ticket acceptance amongst operators with no XC services operating north of Newcastle today it should be a relaxed day for their Scottish based crews.
The XC/TPE/Lumo ticket acceptance is notably only valid Edinburgh to Newcastle, anyone with those tickets on an LNER train heading southbound is getting booted out at Newcastle and told to go on different trains from there (and headed northbound can't board until Newcastle).
 

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The XC/TPE/Lumo ticket acceptance is notably only valid Edinburgh to Newcastle, anyone with those tickets on an LNER train heading southbound is getting booted out at Newcastle and told to go on different trains from there (and headed northbound can't board until Newcastle).
Politely asked to change at Newcastle to the operator that they were booked on, where there services are starting at Newcastle.

Southbound services don’t use it anyway, or do they?
No, just northbound.
 

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The XC/TPE/Lumo ticket acceptance is notably only valid Edinburgh to Newcastle, anyone with those tickets on an LNER train heading southbound is getting booted out at Newcastle and told to go on different trains from there (and headed northbound can't board until Newcastle).
Ticket acceptance updated, LNER now has mutual acceptance with Lumo between London and Edinburgh, and mutual with TPE and XC between Edinburgh and York.
 

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Do LNER still sign the short diversion via Millerhill, and is that still signalled to passenger standard?

I assume it's not happening for a combination of the above and that its a bit awkward with the half hourly Borders services.
 

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Do LNER still sign the short diversion via Millerhill, and is that still signalled to passenger standard?

I assume it's not happening for a combination of the above and that its a bit awkward with the half hourly Borders services.
Borders services today are hourly and turning at Newcraighall due to the disruption, so it's more likely to be an issue with signing/signalling.
 

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Do LNER still sign the short diversion via Millerhill, and is that still signalled to passenger standard?
The line between Newcraighall North Junction and Monktonhall Junction isn't signalled to passenger standards and there are lots of sets of hand points that would need to be secured. I don't think any LNER drivers sign it these days anyway, since they got rid of the Thunderbird loco.
 

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Borders services today are hourly and turning at Newcraighall due to the disruption, so it's more likely to be an issue with signing/signalling.

Ah fair enough

The line between Newcraighall North Junction and Monktonhall Junction isn't signalled to passenger standards and there are lots of sets of hand points that would need to be secured. I don't think any LNER drivers sign it these days anyway, since they got rid of the Thunderbird loco.

Yeah I thought this was the case, but thought it worth a check
 

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Today I spotted a Stirling to Edinburgh service which is normally a 3 car 385 as a 2 car 158. Has this got anything to with this broken rail? I know that some 385's are kept at Millerhill.
 

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Today I spotted a Stirling to Edinburgh service which is normally a 3 car 385 as a 2 car 158. Has this got anything to with this broken rail? I know that some 385's are kept at Millerhill.
Yes as they can’t get some units off Millerhill. There is no access to the up/down millerhill line. So some services replaced by diesels where crew knowledge permits.

The single line working is being operated with the use of a pilot man.

The cracked crossing will be plain lined tonight as a temp repair while a new crossing is constructed.
 

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Which crossing is it exactly, because millerhill depot being out of wack would suggest it's somewhere at Niddrie south junction, which wouldn't impact the main ECML. They are also running from Millerhill depot through Craigentinny and into Waverley as I send this, with 5R81 making the trip.

The main ECML single line working suggests it's either the points at Portobello Junction between the Leith Docks Branch and the up main, or Craigentinny junction where the old Powderhall Branch also joins the up main (which I thought had already been plain lined)
 

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Yes as they can’t get some units off Millerhill. There is no access to the up/down millerhill line. So some services replaced by diesels where crew knowledge permits.

The single line working is being operated with the use of a pilot man.

The cracked crossing will be plain lined tonight as a temp repair while a new crossing is constructed.
Sounds like its not standard geometry then if they need a special fabricated could be quite a few weeks oou.
 

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Which crossing is it exactly, because millerhill depot being out of wack would suggest it's somewhere at Niddrie south junction, which wouldn't impact the main ECML. They are also running from Millerhill depot through Craigentinny and into Waverley as I send this, with 5R81 making the trip.

The main ECML single line working suggests it's either the points at Portobello Junction between the Leith Docks Branch and the up main, or Craigentinny junction where the old Powderhall Branch also joins the up main (which I thought had already been plain lined)
All I know is it’s 87 points at Craigentinny.
 

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All I know is it’s 87 points at Craigentinny.

Points 86a/b are the crossover from the up main to down main at Craigentinny Jn.

Point 85a is the point from down main into Craigentinny Depot.

Point 67a/b are the junction from the Leith Docks Branch onto the up main at Portobello Junction.

Point 66a/b are the crossover at Portobello Junction.

I am assuming this means that it is point 67b that is broken, as I cannot find number 87 anywhere on the signalling diagrams.
 

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Points 86a/b are the crossover from the up main to down main at Craigentinny Jn.

Point 85a is the point from down main into Craigentinny Depot.

Point 67a/b are the junction from the Leith Docks Branch onto the up main at Portobello Junction.

Point 66a/b are the crossover at Portobello Junction.

I am assuming this means that it is point 67b that is broken, as I cannot find number 87 anywhere on the signalling diagrams.
All NWR logs and TOCs are stating Points 87 on all there communications.
 

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Points 86a/b are the crossover from the up main to down main at Craigentinny Jn.

Point 85a is the point from down main into Craigentinny Depot.

Point 67a/b are the junction from the Leith Docks Branch onto the up main at Portobello Junction.

Point 66a/b are the crossover at Portobello Junction.

I am assuming this means that it is point 67b that is broken, as I cannot find number 87 anywhere on the signalling diagrams.
87pts is the connection to the Powderhall branch; the A end is the traps, the B end is the connection to the Up line.
 

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87pts is the connection to the Powderhall branch; the A end is the traps, the B end is the connection to the Up line.
Ah perfect, I thought that it might have already been plain-lined so that does clear everything up. Definitely a terrible one to try and signal around, but ultimately nothing of value will be lost from plain lining this.
 

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Ah perfect, I thought that it might have already been plain-lined so that does clear everything up. Definitely a terrible one to try and signal around, but ultimately nothing of value will be lost from plain lining this.
So a set of points which have presumably been secured oou for sometime although that shouldn't detract from having inspections undertaken on them other than perhaps S&T FPL (facing point lock) checks if they ca C&Pd. Cracked crossings have to be pretty bad not to be suitable for 5mph mind you but maybe it was the switches. Anyhow easy enough to plain line overnight so normal service can be restored.
 

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So a set of points which have presumably been secured oou for sometime although that shouldn't detract from having inspections undertaken on them other than perhaps S&T FPL (facing point lock) checks if they ca C&Pd. Cracked crossings have to be pretty bad not to be suitable for 5mph mind you but maybe it was the switches. Anyhow easy enough to plain line overnight so normal service can be restored.
Even if clipped and scotched, the points also need to be visually inspected to ensure that the FPL is still holding them, the clamp and scotch is in place and the stretcher bars and machine/rodding is secure. Certain measurements are also required to be taken to ensure that the correct clearances are being maintained through the switch. If possible, a detection test is also required.

Network Rail Scotland state on twitter that it is
[...] a chunky and bespoke part made from cast or fabricated steel. Unlike a normal rail, we can’t make a temporary repair to get trains running, we need to replace it.
which sounds very much like the crossing to me. You cast a crossing, but you don't cast a switch.
 

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Just been past the affected points on the very late 1E26, it's the ones in the attached screenshot - team of engineers on site as we speak. Bang road services are crawling, would say we aren't going much above 20mph which explains why delays are so hefty.
 

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