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This doesn't surprise me at all, the August BH weekend is busy for the first part of it, but from the Monday onwards it's the last week of the English school holidays and the Scottish ones have already been back for a week or two
 
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Premier Inn.
Bank holiday Monday 26 August:
  • Sheffield city centre £35
  • Manchester city centre £42 and £47
  • Buxton £57
All seem reasonable to me.
It all comes down to how fixed your date and location are.

Travelodge have four hotels in / very close to the centre of Manchester. The one near to the AO Arena / Strangeways can be had from £24.99. £32.99 for a 'Plus' room on the top floor at the refundable rate. Includes two Kit Kats and two Galaxy hot chocolate sachets!
Bank holiday Monday night isn’t one of the best examples as leisure travellers are returning home and business travellers won’t be around until Tuesday. So unless there’s a major event you could say bank holiday Monday night will be one of the quieter nights of the year hence the unusually low prices.
 

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All the bank holidays seem to be cheap at Premier Inn, I’ve done a number of stays either a Sunday and a Monday night or a Monday and Tuesday night. Sundays tend to be cheaper too. Various bank holidays, various locations over the years, including New Year’s Day.
 

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All the bank holidays seem to be cheap at Premier Inn, I’ve done a number of stays either a Sunday and a Monday night or a Monday and Tuesday night. Sundays tend to be cheaper too. Various bank holidays, various locations over the years, including New Year’s Day.
This is true of most hotels. It's true of Sunday nights in most hotels as well. In general I'd be ignoring PI and the like on a Sunday night or bank holiday night, and seeing if I could get a bargain somewhere fancy
 

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Premier Inn.
Bank holiday Monday 26 August:
  • Sheffield city centre £35
  • Manchester city centre £42 and £47
  • Buxton £57
All seem reasonable to me.
It all comes down to how fixed your date and location are.

Travelodge have four hotels in / very close to the centre of Manchester. The one near to the AO Arena / Strangeways can be had from £24.99. £32.99 for a 'Plus' room on the top floor at the refundable rate. Includes two Kit Kats and two Galaxy hot chocolate sachets!
That reminds me of 2019, when I stayed at Travelodge Plus near Aldgate East. As I was so certain even in January of wanting the day out on the August Bank Holiday (coincidentally also August 26th that year), I booked the Sunday there. It was very good value at £47. Anyway, a member of staff there told me how all the Travelodges in the area were rammed because of the Notting Hill Carnival. I was therefore all the more surprised to have secured my room at such a good rate! Maybe they need some revenue all the year round, and so sell some bargain rooms for later in the year just for the early income.
 

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I was looking at the Shrewsbury premier Inn for the Saturday night in August that coincides with the flower show. Room only flex rate is currently £172 - yes, there will be high demand but I have stayed before on The flower show Saturday booked about a month beforehand and I paid about £90 inc breakfast.
Weekend prices are pretty high this year. Usually £100 and above for one night at Premier Inn and Travelodge when looking at the South Coast.
 

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Weekend prices are pretty high this year. Usually £100 and above for one night at Premier Inn and Travelodge when looking at the South Coast.
I wonder if that is more people taking weekend breaks (possibly Friday to Monday inclusive) since Covid19 - rather than going abroad.

Of course right now there will be many looking for alternatives because they need to use the annual leave they booked for an aborted holiday or to wait near an airport (latest IT meltdown hits air travel).
 

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I think a significant factor is those going out on the town on a Friday or Saturday night, and wanting somewhere to crash out rather than trying to make their way home in the small hours. Some city centre hotels can be quite noisy on those nights. Whereas Sunday nights are usually quite quiet, and cheap.
 

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I think a significant factor is those going out on the town on a Friday or Saturday night, and wanting somewhere to crash out rather than trying to make their way home in the small hours. Some city centre hotels can be quite noisy on those nights. Whereas Sunday nights are usually quite quiet, and cheap.
It’s very rare that I stay in the type of hotels being discussed in this thread over a weekend. However, I’m finding it’s very high prices of seemingly random nights midweek which really bump up the cost of a Monday to Friday stay.
 

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It’s very rare that I stay in the type of hotels being discussed in this thread over a weekend. However, I’m finding it’s very high prices of seemingly random nights midweek which really bump up the cost of a Monday to Friday stay.
A lot of times there will be events happening in the area midweek. These might not be large enough to garner all that much attention - they just need a large proportion of the attendees to be not from the local area.

Medium sized companies holding staff get-togethers, or largish weddings can do it. You could even get a concert with less than 500 attendees doing it, if it's the sort of artist who only plays a few dates and attracts audience from all over.

For smaller hotels in small towns, even a coach party of pensioners can tip the prices on a single night.
 

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I was discussing this and similar side topics with someone at the weekend and they made the point that we perhaps need to start rethinking the whole concept of a budget hotel. And they've probably got a point, I mean you can have some of the most undesirable members of the Travelodge estate complete with their mouldy bathrooms with tiles falling off and lots of things that don't work, Chevy decor and jubious stains demanding monstrous three figure sums of money. Money meaning that the only bit of the package that is budget is the interior and the maintenance and upkeep of same. Which one of the mid-market to lower end accommodation providers is going to be brave enough to certainly start offering fixed price rates in a particular location that stay the same the whole time round and therefore truly providing a service on a budget of sorts
 

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I was discussing this and similar side topics with someone at the weekend and they made the point that we perhaps need to start rethinking the whole concept of a budget hotel. And they've probably got a point, I mean you can have some of the most undesirable members of the Travelodge estate complete with their mouldy bathrooms with tiles falling off and lots of things that don't work, Chevy decor and jubious stains demanding monstrous three figure sums of money. Money meaning that the only bit of the package that is budget is the interior and the maintenance and upkeep of same. Which one of the mid-market to lower end accommodation providers is going to be brave enough to certainly start offering fixed price rates in a particular location that stay the same the whole time round and therefore truly providing a service on a budget of sorts
The trouble is that fixed price accommodation doesn't really mean budget rooms for most, it just means zero availability anywhere near the date. We need a degree of growth in the whole sector if the current level of demand for hotels is the new normal, but in the meantime I think it's just necessary to accept that 3 figures is the cost for staying in a lot of places.

It's probably also worth reflecting that in addition to being a budget chain, these hotels are often the only significant accommodation available in a lot of reasonably-large cities. It's all very well decrying the amount that London visitors have to pay for a PI in Milton Keynes, but what about people who actually want to visit Milton Keynes? A fixed price policy would mean that they literally wouldn't be able to find a room at any price. What are they supposed to do?
 

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Back in autumn 2022 I was considering either visiting Manchester for the first time, or somewhere abroad.

In the end it was cheaper to stay in a 4-star hotel & brewery at Gdańsk main station (also right in the city centre) in Poland, including train to Stansted and flight, then it was to get a train to Manchester and stay in a Travelodge far out of the city centre.
I made the right choice I think!
 

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Back in autumn 2022 I was considering either visiting Manchester for the first time, or somewhere abroad.

In the end it was cheaper to stay in a 4-star hotel & brewery at Gdańsk main station (also right in the city centre) in Poland, including train to Stansted and flight, then it was to get a train to Manchester and stay in a Travelodge far out of the city centre.
I made the right choice I think!
You had me at hotel and brewery, never mind the price.

I’m currently staying in a non-budget hotel. Not mega money either, just not budget. Got to say the bed is a lot more comfortable than at premier inn!
 

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I not sure if I like the new design Premier in bed either. Actually, the previous generation I would have loved to own one, but I simply don't roll that kind of dosh, the bed I had just at the weekend in a newly refurbished Mercure was really good and next time I change my mattress I think I will go for the Travelodge one providing it's not been altered. Radically, which there is every possibility of as I only bought my current one last year and have no intention of changing it for a bit
 

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We are currently staying at the PI at Tamworth South (one without AC which isn’t ideal but it is bearable - there were none with AC anywhere near to where we needed to be)

This is one of the ones which had a Table Table (The Centurion) which has closed. I couldn’t book a Meal Deal when I made the hotel reservation but did book breakfast (we like the PI breakfast and they are pretty good for my coeliac partner). With the demise of the pub, I wasn’t sure how this was going to work

What has actually happened is the pub remains open for hotel guests for breakfast and for evening meals/bar. But the beer garden is shut.

The lady who was serving this morning, when trying to sort some GF toast, mentioned how half the kit in the kitchen is marked do not use, as it is to be taken out. This proved a challenge as one of the bits of kit (the salamander?) is used for the GF toast. We did get it toasted but not sure what they used. It was suggested the wholesale removal of equipment ignored the fact it was needed for some things, such as this!

I’m not sure what will happen in the future because this set up doesn’t seem to be sustainable. The place already looks a bit overgrown and I can’t imagine they will need to maintain such a large building for such comparatively small meal services, so it is all a bit odd. The purple ‘posters’ on the image attached are signs saying the pub is now for hotel guests only, essentially
 

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We are currently staying at the PI at Tamworth South (one without AC which isn’t ideal but it is bearable - there were none with AC anywhere near to where we needed to be)

This is one of the ones which had a Table Table (The Centurion) which has closed. I couldn’t book a Meal Deal when I made the hotel reservation but did book breakfast (we like the PI breakfast and they are pretty good for my coeliac partner). With the demise of the pub, I wasn’t sure how this was going to work

What has actually happened is the pub remains open for hotel guests for breakfast and for evening meals/bar. But the beer garden is shut.

The lady who was serving this morning, when trying to sort some GF toast, mentioned how half the kit in the kitchen is marked do not use, as it is to be taken out. This proved a challenge as one of the bits of kit (the salamander?) is used for the GF toast. We did get it toasted but not sure what they used. It was suggested the wholesale removal of equipment ignored the fact it was needed for some things, such as this!

I’m not sure what will happen in the future because this set up doesn’t seem to be sustainable. The place already looks a bit overgrown and I can’t imagine they will need to maintain such a large building for such comparatively small meal services, so it is all a bit odd. The purple ‘posters’ on the image attached are signs saying the pub is now for hotel guests only, essentially
And how can having the restaurant still open but for hotel guests only be saving PI money? Other than a reduction of staffing requirements (ie they could probably get away with only one member of staff front of house) but some overheads will remain without the benefit of income from non hotel guests.

Will it eventually turn into a place where the only food served is effectively frozen ready meals thrown in a microwave to heat up by a minimum wage kitchen assistant meaning that Spoons is both cheaper & better quality?
 

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meaning that Spoons is both cheaper & better quality?
I gave up on TL and PI breakfasts - ‘Spoons could not be bettered from 0800, and on one trip to Galashiels, the Full Scottish Breakfast was £3.79, which I doubt I could buy the components for that amount (a drink was extra). Faced with that competition, even B&B’s are not bothering!
 

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The two nearest Premier Inns now look pretty awful with signs taken down and other things removed from what used to be a Beefeater and a Brewers Fayre. If you were looking for a hotel (do people still do that?) and passed these, you'd perhaps think the whole place had closed down. The car park was partially closed off and there were materials suggesting they are clearing things out from inside.

I don't think it's a particularly clever look to make it look like your restaurant (and possibly the hotel) has been looted or burnt down at a casual glance. Even a sign saying 'hotel open as usual' might have been sensible.

Meanwhile, Whitbread has sent me an email offering 33% off a meal at Brewers Fayre, but instead of my nearest one being about 400 metres away, it is now 20 miles. I think I'll pass. Indeed, I have unsubscribed from their mailing list entirely.

Will it eventually turn into a place where the only food served is effectively frozen ready meals thrown in a microwave to heat up by a minimum wage kitchen assistant meaning that Spoons is both cheaper & better quality?

There is a vastly reduced menu, with a tiny drinks menu too. Food that's easy to cook and serve. I am sure that the huge buildings that used to seat hundreds will be knocked down and turned into more rooms, and they'll create a smaller area elsewhere to serve breakfast to guests only, and evening meals.

While I didn't do it often, I did occasionally pop in to my local Brewers Fayre for an unlimited breakfast and other locals did it a lot more - simply because for £9 (at the time) it wasn't bad value. You can easily pay the same in a greasy spoon these days. That's now out too.
 

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And how can having the restaurant still open but for hotel guests only be saving PI money? Other than a reduction of staffing requirements (ie they could probably get away with only one member of staff front of house) but some overheads will remain without the benefit of income from non hotel guests.

Will it eventually turn into a place where the only food served is effectively frozen ready meals thrown in a microwave to heat up by a minimum wage kitchen assistant meaning that Spoons is both cheaper & better quality?
This morning I feel there was one FoH and maybe one chef (who popped out at one point to clear tables). This ‘solution’ must be a stopgap, though

Can’t say anything about the evening offerings as yesterday we went to Pizza Express and tonight Five Guys which are less than 10 min drive away at Ventura Park

Today we’ve been at Drayton Manor and I would have loved to have stayed there again ( it has AC, too) but the prices were eye watering. Tomorrow we are driving to Towers and not staying at PI
 

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We are currently staying at the PI at Tamworth South (one without AC which isn’t ideal but it is bearable - there were none with AC anywhere near to where we needed to be)

This is one of the ones which had a Table Table (The Centurion) which has closed. I couldn’t book a Meal Deal when I made the hotel reservation but did book breakfast (we like the PI breakfast and they are pretty good for my coeliac partner). With the demise of the pub, I wasn’t sure how this was going to work

What has actually happened is the pub remains open for hotel guests for breakfast and for evening meals/bar. But the beer garden is shut.

The lady who was serving this morning, when trying to sort some GF toast, mentioned how half the kit in the kitchen is marked do not use, as it is to be taken out. This proved a challenge as one of the bits of kit (the salamander?) is used for the GF toast. We did get it toasted but not sure what they used. It was suggested the wholesale removal of equipment ignored the fact it was needed for some things, such as this!

I’m not sure what will happen in the future because this set up doesn’t seem to be sustainable. The place already looks a bit overgrown and I can’t imagine they will need to maintain such a large building for such comparatively small meal services, so it is all a bit odd. The purple ‘posters’ on the image attached are signs saying the pub is now for hotel guests only, essentially
The simple solution would be just to get a domestic style simple pop-up toaster labelled "gluten free only" back of house to use for the gluten free bread. They don't need a full salamander grill just for toast. Have the conveyor toaster out front for the wheat containing bread and a regular toaster out back for those with allergens.
 

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I could have predicted absolutely every last bit of what is described above here. This entire strategy has been dreamt and schemed up by the finance team and I think could quite easily see. Not necessarily the demise but certainly the downfall of Premier in as we currently know it, not so much because of the food and beverage offering or lack thereof but more because it just sounds and looks at the moment as if those in charge haven't got the faintest idea what they're doing and people like myself who had already found the high prices a turn off will continue to look elsewhere, as I am in fact currently doing for a couple of nights I need in September
 

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The simple solution would be just to get a domestic style simple pop-up toaster labelled "gluten free only" back of house to use for the gluten free bread. They don't need a full salamander grill just for toast. Have the conveyor toaster out front for the wheat containing bread and a regular toaster out back for those with allergens.
I suspect that's what the solution will be. The likely reason why they've marked the equipment as for removal rather than removing it is that they want to find out about these issues so that they can figure out what they need to buy.
 

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I could have predicted absolutely every last bit of what is described above here. This entire strategy has been dreamt and schemed up by the finance team and I think could quite easily see. Not necessarily the demise but certainly the downfall of Premier in as we currently know it, not so much because of the food and beverage offering or lack thereof but more because it just sounds and looks at the moment as if those in charge haven't got the faintest idea what they're doing and people like myself who had already found the high prices a turn off will continue to look elsewhere, as I am in fact currently doing for a couple of nights I need in September

It seems odd (but I don't see their books) that two places regularly full of people from the local area (not the hotel itself) have now shut down. For most people they were popular pub restaurants that people went to for birthdays and parties, or to watch football and other events in the main bar.

I am surprised they closed so many restaurants at in town locations. I might have understood if it was just the out of town or motorway services locations which might sit empty most of the time.
 

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High prices? I've just booked 5 nights in October/start of November in Aberdeen for around 40 quid a night, which is cheaper than comparable hotels in Poland!

That's nice. All the places I've been checking out (not October) have been £100-250 a night. Travelodges can still be found for around £60-70, but sadly many of them are older hotels without air conditioning.

At one point, I was looking at any hotel with a view of finding a cheap location and planning a visit around that (and getting to visit somewhere new) but I gave up in the end.

I am sure I'll still use Premier Inn in the future, but it won't be my automatic go-to option. Perhaps it's stupid to be loyal to a chain, but I'd usually pick a Premier Inn even if slightly more expensive than alternatives for the peace of mind. But they seem intent on making themselves less appealing.
 

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I suspect that's what the solution will be. The likely reason why they've marked the equipment as for removal rather than removing it is that they want to find out about these issues so that they can figure out what they need to buy.
Or its being done by different teams. One team goes into the kitchen to mark the items as 'to be removed' followed by another team which removes the equipment to take it to wherever it's going.
 

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