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Bus fanatic, 20, with no licence posed as driver to steal buses

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Potentially, perhaps, but it seems to have passed with a minor altercation with a car and no-one hurt.
Yeah but the word "danger" actually refers potential not the result viz:

  1. the possibility of suffering harm or injury.
    "his life was in danger"
    synonyms: peril, hazard, risk, jeopardy, endangerment, imperilment, insecurity; More
    • a cause or likely cause of harm or injury.
      plural noun: dangers
      "the dangers of smoking"
      synonyms: menace, hazard, threat, risk, peril; More


    • the possibility of something unwelcome or unpleasant happening.
      "she was in danger of being exploited"
      synonyms: possibility, chance, risk, probability, likelihood, fear, prospect
      "there is a serious danger of fire"
 
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Yeah but the word "danger" actually refers potential not the result viz:

  1. the possibility of suffering harm or injury.
    "his life was in danger"
    synonyms: peril, hazard, risk, jeopardy, endangerment, imperilment, insecurity; More
    • a cause or likely cause of harm or injury.
      plural noun: dangers
      "the dangers of smoking"
      synonyms: menace, hazard, threat, risk, peril; More


    • the possibility of something unwelcome or unpleasant happening.
      "she was in danger of being exploited"
      synonyms: possibility, chance, risk, probability, likelihood, fear, prospect
      "there is a serious danger of fire"

And "Extreme Danger"? Given we already know what happened, there doesn't seem to be much potential danger now.
 

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What happened isn't the point! It had the potential to be extremely dangerous and, such a moron do it again in the same circumstances, it remains extremely dangerous.

If someone else did it, yes it could be extremely dangerous. However the OP's claim was that this moron had been causing extreme danger - that danger appears to be over and was not extreme.

 

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In 2006 a 'bus nut' , a description given by First Bus stole a bus from outside their Hilsea, Portsmouth depot and drove it to Ipswich to visit a friend and returning to the south coast crashed on the M25, injuring himself and a lorry driver. This did not deter him but subsequently was jailed. He said buses were easier to steal. Unable to post link but if you search 2007 stole bus Hilsea Ipswich it should come up. One would hope that in this day one would not be able to drive a stolen bus for such a distance.
 

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If someone else did it, yes it could be extremely dangerous. However the OP's claim was that this moron had been causing extreme danger - that danger appears to be over and was not extreme.

Agree that wording is OTT... unless the guy was trying to re-enact the final scenes of The Young Ones or The Italian Job!

Gents - the word danger means potential - the risk of doing serious harm. Not what actually happened.

For pity’s sake, he hit another vehicle and the potential could easily be have been much worse. That he didn’t was good fortune, nothing else.

I certainly don’t like the hyperbole that is encountered on this board at times, but what that stupid idiot did could have been extremely dangerous.
 

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Gents - the word danger means potential - the risk of doing serious harm. Not what actually happened.

For pity’s sake, he hit another vehicle and the potential could easily be have been much worse. That he didn’t was good fortune, nothing else.

I certainly don’t like the hyperbole that is encountered on this board at times, but what that stupid idiot did could have been extremely dangerous.
My objection wasn't to the word "danger", it was to the word "extreme", meaning "at the limits of".

This was potentially dangerous, but it was a bus not an inter-continental ballistic missile.
 

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How on Earth does their insurance company sanction that?! Buses are generally known to be a much more tempting target for vandalism and worse than an ordinary car is.
Remember that 17 year old chap who borrowed our school's coach and crashed it? It was left unlocked - I wonder if there ever was an insurance payout?
 

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My objection wasn't to the word "danger", it was to the word "extreme", meaning "at the limits of".

This was potentially dangerous, but it was a bus not an inter-continental ballistic missile.

So the ready potential to seriously injure or worse isn’t enough? What sort of false equivalence is that - murder isn’t extreme, it would have to genocide?

Moving away from flippancy, what you say isn’t how risk is measured legally.
 

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So the ready potential to seriously injure or worse isn’t enough? What sort of false equivalence is that - murder isn’t extreme, it would have to genocide?

Moving away from flippancy, what you say isn’t how risk is measured legally.

There is no potential for that to happen. He's been caught and convicted. There was a danger from him. There is not any more.

How was this danger extreme? Danger by definition is bad. Extreme danger suggests at the very least a high chance of people being killed.

If you'd seen it at the time you might have thought there was extreme danger. Now we know there wasn't as there is no further potential.
 

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My objection wasn't to the word "danger", it was to the word "extreme", meaning "at the limits of".

This was potentially dangerous, but it was a bus not an inter-continental ballistic missile.

A double decker bus in the hands of a clown that hasn't got a clue what he's doing IS extremley dangerous as one wrong move could result in the death of other people or himself. I fail to understand why the word "extremley" is an issue anyway?
 

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There is no potential for that to happen. He's been caught and convicted. There was a danger from him. There is not any more.

How was this danger extreme? Danger by definition is bad. Extreme danger suggests at the very least a high chance of people being killed.

If you'd seen it at the time you might have thought there was extreme danger. Now we know there wasn't as there is no further potential.

You're one of the more lucid posters on these boards so I'm a bit surprised. The OP said the idiot in question was a fraud causing extreme danger and, in this instance, there was every chance of someone being killed or injured by this fool (as Colin M states). He didn't even have a full driving license let alone a PCV license, his skills being highlighted by hitting a vehicle and driving off.

I would say that anyone who is not trained/qualified to drive a bus and takes one for a joyride is doing something extremely dangerous. I hope that this individual learns his lesson whilst at Her Majesty's Pleasure.
 

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The version of the joke about stealing the bus I heard, was the first man stating that their bus was at the back of the depot. The second man said that you should have taken the bus by the door. We can then get off at the War Memorial and walk the rest of the way.
 

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Remember that 17 year old chap who borrowed our school's coach and crashed it? It was left unlocked - I wonder if there ever was an insurance payout?
I was trying very hard not to mention that on here...!!!

Yes... it certainly comes under the topic of this thread.

For the benefit of the forum members who are scratching their heads and at the same time without being too specific, this was in the early 1980s and the vehicle in question was a Bedford Duple with bodywork by Bella Vega; the actual vehicle is in the picture below.

One Sunday evening - this was a boarding school - most of us were watching the news on the television when there was a snippet on the local news at the end which mentioned a police chase involving a stolen coach and a picture was shown; someone said "Hey! That looks like the school bus!" and everyone laughed, then a moment later another, more senior, pupil burst into the TV room in a state of high excitement, flicked the lights on and yelled out to everyone: "( Name redacted ) has stolen the school bus!!!".

Pandemonium ensued.

It eventually transpired that the bus-nicking pupil had got about 50 miles away from the school with it, the last few miles with the police on his tail, and he eventually lost control and beached it on the central reservation of a dual carriageway. Although there was little visible damage, just a few small holes in the lower bodywork, and the bus was able to be driven back to the school, it was soon discovered that the chassis was slightly bent where it had been beached and so it was a write off.

The pupil in question very quickly became an ex-pupil.

The school then bought a replacement, another vehicle of the same type, but that only lasted 3 or 4 months because it quickly became apparent that it was an absolute turkey with a knackered engine and gearbox and so much corrosion that a sizable hole was discovered in the floor! A further replacement, in much better condition soon arrived, in the shape of a Scarborough built Reliance.


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The later Reliance that replaced it.
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I was trying very hard not to mention that on here...!!!

Yes... it certainly comes under the topic of this thread.

For the benefit of the forum members who are scratching their heads and at the same time without being too specific, this was in the early 1980s and the vehicle in question was a Bedford Duple with bodywork by Bella Vega; the actual vehicle is in the picture below.

One Sunday evening - this was a boarding school - most of us were watching the news on the television when there was a snippet on the local news at the end which mentioned a police chase involving a stolen coach and a picture was shown; someone said "Hey! That looks like the school bus!" and everyone laughed, then a moment later another, more senior, pupil burst into the TV room in a state of high excitement, flicked the lights on and yelled out to everyone: "( Name redacted ) has stolen the school bus!!!".

Pandemonium ensued.

It eventually transpired that the bus-nicking pupil had got about 50 miles away from the school with it, the last few miles with the police on his tail, and he eventually lost control and beached it on the central reservation of a dual carriageway. Although there was little visible damage, just a few small holes in the lower bodywork, and the bus was able to be driven back to the school, it was soon discovered that the chassis was slightly bent where it had been beached and so it was a write off.

The pupil in question very quickly became an ex-pupil.

The school then bought a replacement, another vehicle of the same type, but that only lasted 3 or 4 months because it quickly became apparent that it was an absolute turkey with a knackered engine and gearbox and so much corrosion that a sizable hole was discovered in the floor! A further replacement, in much better condition soon arrived, in the shape of a Scarborough built Reliance.


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The later Reliance that replaced it.
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That bus in the photo is not a Reliance, it's a Bedford as can be seen by the badge on the front of it.
 

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You're one of the more lucid posters on these boards so I'm a bit surprised. The OP said the idiot in question was a fraud causing extreme danger and, in this instance, there was every chance of someone being killed or injured by this fool (as Colin M states). He didn't even have a full driving license let alone a PCV license, his skills being highlighted by hitting a vehicle and driving off.

I'll take the compliment, thanks. There is not every chance of anything else happening. The incident is in the past - we know what happened.

If we'd been there and witnessed it, someone could have commented on the extreme danger. Now we know there what happened and that it was a minor incident.
 

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I seem to recall a story maybe 10 or 15 years ago about someone who posted as a metro train driver and did a good portion of a day's work before being found out. Somewhere in America, perhaps. Very hazy memory!

There's a few stories about Darius McCollum of New York City. He first commandeered an E train in 1980, aged 15, operating it correctly for a few stops, before being tripped by a speed controlled train stop on a curve.

He has since been arrested 20 to 30 times for similar offenses over the years with buses, trains and subways.

There is a documentary called 'Off the Rails' about him. The trailer is on this page: http://www.offtherailsmovie.com
 
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