Chiltern destination numbers

[CR165022]

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Why do they have these? And is it just a random number they put in or is it auto generated because sometimes they run without a number on the destination

 

[E16 Cyclist]

They’re actually related to the pis (passenger information system) code 01 for example is the normal code for Marylebone to Aylesbury and back whereas 99 is the non standard code as the random nature of the stopping pattern means the normal code can’t be used

 

[CyrusWuff]

Just to expand on the above slightly, the PIS Chiltern use requires the Driver to enter a five digit code during setup.

The first two digits are displayed on the front and rear screens, whilst the other three determine the destination, route information (e.g. via Amersham, via High Wycombe, etc) and stopping pattern.

Unfortunately, Chiltern don't include the route codes in any customer facing publications, so their use isn't always consistent.

 

[cactustwirly]

I'm pretty sure the NSE/Thames Trains/FGW 165s and 166s used to display numbers when the original PIS displays were fitted

 

[Doctor Fegg]

Chiltern Railways Route Numbers

Hello all, I'm after some information. I recently saw a Chiltern Class 165 at Birmingham Moor Street with "53 Leamington Spa" on the front. The 53 part didnt make much sense as it wasn't the headcode (2L62) or the departure time. Is there a list of all Chiltern's route numbers and...

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[Melancholia]

I'm pretty sure the NSE/Thames Trains/FGW 165s and 166s used to display numbers when the original PIS displays were fitted

They still do. Whether they work or not is a different matter

 

[fgwrich]

They still do. Whether they work or not is a different matter

Indeed, possibly one of the longest hangovers from Network SouthEast. I’m not sure if the SouthEastern Networkers still display the route number too?

 

[Chiltern006]

70/71 is Oxford and 40 and something else is Brum

 

[150219]

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Why do they have these? And is it just a random number they put in or is it auto generated because sometimes they run without a number on the destination

To complement the above replies, they are headcode numbers which have become somewhat blurred from their original use when the 165s were introduced. I do have a full list, but not to hand at the moment - so I'll add this later.

 

[185]

Destination should make full use of the display screen size - irrelevant & potentially misleading numbers should never be on there.

IMO, of course

 

[LowLevel]

Destination should make full use of the display screen size - irrelevant & potentially misleading numbers should never be on there.

IMO, of course

They were relevant when the unit was delivered as NSE and the Southern Region before them had always made use of route numbers. It's only after privatisation that they really fell out of use and to be fair I have no real idea why Chiltern persisted with displaying them, particularly when they'd moved away from standard stopping patterns where they're actually quite useful.

 

[185]

They were relevant when the unit was delivered as NSE and the Southern Region before them had always made use of route numbers. It's only after privatisation that they really fell out of use and to be fair I have no real idea why Chiltern persisted with displaying them, particularly when they'd moved away from standard stopping patterns where they're actually quite useful.

Perhaps some years ago, they did have some use, although back then many passengers did have to then 'decode' the stopping pattern - impossible for the majority... but nowadays with high amounts of info - station CIS, apps, announcements - they are irrelevant and should (imo) go asap.

 

[150219]

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Why do they have these? And is it just a random number they put in or is it auto generated because sometimes they run without a number on the destination

As promised.

These were the route numbers before Kidderminster and Oxford and date from 1999. The PIS 'wildcard' destination list just indicated the destination with no calling pattern, dating from slightly later - note the addition of xx734 Kidderminster. Also included is the list of automatic announcement codes, which didn't marry up with the stopping pattern once the timetable had increased and the destinations had expanded from the original introduction of the 165 fleet. The drivers who used it mainly just used it for arriving at Aylesbury, Banbury or Marylebone.

Minor changes over the years, which have meant that the 'wildcard' destination list had tweaks as time went on. Prior to the extension of services to Warwick Parkway, Stourbridge and Kidderminster the destinations had each of the High Wycombe line stations, e.g. Seer Green, Beaconsfield etc. xx725 had changed at some point from KEY IN UNIT YES INDEEDY to KEY IN UNIT CHECK B4 U COUPLE UP. This was helpful in many respects for permissive working when the driver of the second arrival needed to couple. xx731 had also changed from MERRY CHRISTMAS HO HO HO to just plain old MERRY CHRISTMAS.