Class 175’s to GWR - possible livery ideas?

[Pete_uk]

Image shows what a 175 would look like if partially re-vinaled into dark green (just ignore the TFW branding)
AI image

 

[simonmpoulton]

Image shows what a 175 would look like if partially re-vinaled into dark green (just ignore the TFW branding)
AI image

Front door has completely disappeared! Other than that doesn't look to bad, I don't see it saving that much money just doing those parts though. I reckon they'd look good in BR blue though!

 

[Pete_uk]

Oh the blue is nice!

 

[Goldfish62]

Front door has completely disappeared! Other than that doesn't look to bad, I don't see it saving that much money just doing those parts though. I reckon they'd look good in BR blue though!

Back to the drab, dreary days of the 70s! I remember them only too well.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Front door has completely disappeared! Other than that doesn't look to bad, I don't see it saving that much money just doing those parts though. I reckon they'd look good in BR blue though!

What about blue and grey...? Pretty please...?

 

[_toommm_]

Image shows what a 175 would look like if partially re-vinaled into dark green (just ignore the TFW branding)
AI image

Vaguely reminiscent of the GWR fag packet livery.

 

[Doomotron]

Vaguely reminiscent of the GWR fag packet livery.

I'd say it's closer to an inverted Merlin livery.

 

[_toommm_]

I'd say it's closer to an inverted Merlin livery.

That's the one I was thinking of - both very much before my time.

 

[Ashley Hill]

Image shows what a 175 would look like if partially re-vinaled into dark green (just ignore the TFW branding)
AI image

I know GWR will probably persevere with the bland all-over green,but to get the units out quickly this AI livery would be quite acceptable in the interim.

 

[Doomotron]

I know GWR will probably persevere with the bland all-over green,but to get the units out quickly this AI livery would be quite acceptable in the interim.

While slightly off-topic, I do like weird interim liveries like the white with green proposed on this thread. I like the weird Gatwick Express/GN combinations as well.

 

[Pete_uk]

That's the one I was thinking of - both very much before my time.

That livery on the HSTs was so smart.

 

[cce]

Wasn't the GWR livery one of the ones intended to persist past the end of franchises to create consistent branding?

 

[YorkshireBear]

Wasn't the GWR livery one of the ones intended to persist past the end of franchises to create consistent branding?

I hope so, it's a reasonably strong brand, I imagine many TOCs will keep their name as they are bland names.

 

[Rhydgaled]

Wasn't the GWR livery one of the ones intended to persist past the end of franchises to create consistent branding?

The GWR livery predates COVID-19, let alone the new Labour government that promised to abolish the privatised passenger train operator model. I cannot remember exactly when franchises fell out of favour in favour of management contracts, but before Keir Starmer's current government took power GBR was not going to run trains itself. Instead, it was meerly going to take over the DfT's responsibility for running competitions for operating contracts. Train operations would therefore still have been broken up into various 'silos' run by a hotchpotch of different private operators, whether or not the contracts for doing so were known as 'franchises', 'national rail contracts' or something else. Now that GBR will actually bring all the DfT franchises 'in house', they have the opportunity to abolish 'silos' altogether, though it remains to be seen whether they will.

 

[GoneSouth]

Vaguely reminiscent of the GWR fag packet livery.

What the heck is the fag packet livery?

 

[Ashley Hill]

Here is a picture of an HST in “fag packet” livery.

Photo,Merchant Venturer

 

[fgwrich]

Here is a picture of an HST in “fag packet” livery.
View attachment 179326
Photo,Merchant Venturer

Further to that, it was dubbed (somewhat unfairly) the “Fag Packet” livery due to a slight resemblance to the Superkings packets of the time, particularly their Menthol products.

In reality, it was an application of a striped gold vinyl band across the former Great Western Trains Merlin livery. Ironically, whilst Fag Packet didn’t last that long on the HSTs with the roll out of Barbie, it lasted a lot longer on the Night Riviera - where the Mk2 replacement vehicles (BFO, TSO, RFM) were placed into Fag Packet long after Barbie had become the norm.

 

[cce]

The GWR livery predates COVID-19, let alone the new Labour government that promised to abolish the privatised passenger train operator model. I cannot remember exactly when franchises fell out of favour in favour of management contracts, but before Keir Starmer's current government took power GBR was not going to run trains itself. Instead, it was meerly going to take over the DfT's responsibility for running competitions for operating contracts. Train operations would therefore still have been broken up into various 'silos' run by a hotchpotch of different private operators, whether or not the contracts for doing so were known as 'franchises', 'national rail contracts' or something else. Now that GBR will actually bring all the DfT franchises 'in house', they have the opportunity to abolish 'silos' altogether, though it remains to be seen whether they will.

I recall a prior plan where the broad brand was supposed to say consistent even when franchising was still a thing

 

[superalbs]

Here is a picture of an HST in “fag packet” livery.
View attachment 179326
Photo,Merchant Venturer

What a hit of nostalgia this is...

 

[GoneSouth]

Here is a picture of an HST in “fag packet” livery.
View attachment 179326
Photo,Merchant Venturer

Ah yes I remember that, I just didn’t know it was called fag packet. Infinitely better than all that garish pink that went with the next First rebrand. First in general have too much of a liking for pink imho.

 

[brad465]

Ah yes I remember that, I just didn’t know it was called fag packet. Infinitely better than all that garish pink that went with the next First rebrand. First in general have too much of a liking for pink imho.

I liked the Dynamic lines' livery, but the "Barbie" one before that you allude to was a disaster. GWR green has been good though so should be fine on 175s if done well.

 

[Rhydgaled]

I recall a prior plan where the broad brand was supposed to say consistent even when franchising was still a thing

Yes, I think there was an idea that some of the franchise brands would stay with each franchise even if the a rival won the contract next time the franchise was re-let (similar to ScotRail Saltire). Relevant brands possibly inlcuded GWR, SWR, EMR and WMT, but I'm not sure how many of those brands are owned by the parent company and how many would be free to pass to the next operator. My point is that there would still have been a bunch of seperate contracts let out to operate passenger services; that may not remain the case under GBR.

 

[The Prisoner]

Lots of livery debate. If we went down the same route as the 800s…..

 

[GoneSouth]

Lots of livery debate. If we went down the same route as the 800s…..

That looks very military

At least the 800s have a bit of yellow to break up the green.

 

[driverd]

Lots of livery debate. If we went down the same route as the 800s…..

In fairness the doors would be grey and the front yellow. The 800s aren't just forest green.

 

[brad465]

In fairness the doors would be grey and the front yellow. The 800s aren't just forest green.

I wonder if light green would be a better fit, while still being contrasting enough to comply with PRM requirements.

 

[Bringback309s]

How about...

 

[83G/84D]

That is actually quite nice!

 

[Class15]

How about... View attachment 179400

Very good! But it would fail PRM due to the door colour

 

[brad465]

Very good! But it would fail PRM due to the door colour

Maybe extend the brown onto all of each door?