Class 321 storage/scrapping

[JonathanH]

There was a 321 (or perhaps a 322) at Willesden yesterday.

Willesden, or Wembley? There are plenty of 321s parked up in Wembley Yard. All 322s have been scrapped.

Why Great Yarmouth?

That is where Eastern Rail Services are based. A 321 might be good for filming contracts. http://www.easternrailservices.co.uk/filming.htm

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[St. Paddy]

321434 going to Yarmouth according to Twitter earlier today

 

[Wolfie]

There are lots at Wembley, if that’s what you mean.

TY (and @JonathanH). I was on a LNWR 350 heading out of Euston at the time and truthfully wasn't paying much attention. It may well have been Wembley.

 

[Wivenswold]

Remarkable news, 2 potentially saved though both likely never to run off OHL again. Though obviously some remain north of the border in a shortened state.

 

[Class15]

321434 gone to Yarmouth - could this be coming back for the tour?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

321434 gone to Yarmouth - could this be coming back for the tour?

Believe I saw it quoted on Facebook that it's there for storage until its ready to be moved to Harwich for preservation.

 

[warwickshire]

Remarkable news, 2 potentially saved though both likely never to run off OHL again. Though obviously some remain north of the border in a shortened state.

Possibly two or one. Possibly one more for the Clacton preservation society at Harwich. One ie 321434 for Yarmouth Eastern Rail services for filming.
Maybe on a movie sometime next year.
Back to withdrawals does anyone know which 321s are at Clacton in the Shed being decommissioning ready for the next storage move. And any information on whether to Wembley/Warrington etc?.

 

[LAX54]

Believe I saw it quoted on Facebook that it's there for storage until its ready to be moved to Harwich for preservation.

I think the CEPG 321 is a different one to this 321, which is now owned by ERS

 

[The_Train]

Believe I saw it quoted on Facebook that it's there for storage until its ready to be moved to Harwich for preservation.

I've seen it suggested that the one that moved to Yarmouth has been purchased by Eastern Rail Services - might be wrong but I think it was Richard Clinnick with that info

 

[Class15]

Heard rumours from a friend that it was for the tour - anyone can confirm this isn’t the case?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

I think the CEPG 321 is a different one to this 321, which is now owned by ERS

I've seen it suggested that the one that moved to Yarmouth has been purchased by Eastern Rail Services - might be wrong but I think it was Richard Clinnick with that info

Thanks both, plenty of confusion going around!

 

[JonathanH]

Heard rumours from a friend that it was for the tour - anyone can confirm this isn’t the case?

Greater Anglia are running the tour, not a different organisation. It will therefore come from one or two of the Renatus units still on their network, not least as the empties come from Clacton.

A 321 at Great Yarmouth isn't going to find it easy to get to London.

Your rumours are therefore displaced.

 

[warwickshire]

Heard rumours from a friend that it was for the tour - anyone can confirm this isn’t the case?

I don't think it is otherwise it would have gone to Clacton C.S.D instead. Don't forget train is operated by Abeillo Anglia. Pointless sending it to Yarmouth then again by diesel loco to Clacton from Yarmouth. Also don't forget their should be x4 321 at Clacton already available usable for the tour.
321434 hasn't ran in public service since late 2021. Plus if it ever was meant to be for the tour it will need commissioning back into service. Plus probably needing a service parts

test running etc. Plus fitness to run, passenger service and back on lease paperwork. Which will take more than a fortnight.

 

[dk1]

I don't think it is otherwise it would have gone to Clacton C.S.D instead. Don't forget train is operated by Abeillo Anglia. Pointless sending it to Yarmouth then again by diesel loco to Clacton from Yarmouth. Also don't forget their should be x4 321 at Clacton already available usable for the tour.
321434 hasn't ran in public service since late 2021. Plus if it ever was meant to be for the tour it will need commissioning back into service. Plus probably needing a service parts

test running etc. Plus fitness to run, passenger service and back on lease paperwork. Which will take more than a fortnight.

Abellio are no longer anything to do with GA or any UK operator.

 

[3973EXL]

Realtime Trains | 0L52 1045 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Clacton C.S.D. | 20/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 0L52 1045 departure from Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Clacton C.S.D. on 20/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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21/04 5Q36 0930 Clacton - Walton Old Jn. 37800 321319

Realtime Trains | 5Q36 0940 Clacton C.S.D. to Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs | 21/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q36 0940 departure from Clacton C.S.D. to Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs on 21/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[90sWereBetter]

321434 is easily viewable from the A47 at Yarmouth Vauxhall, nested in amongst the miryiad of MK2 and MK3 coaches in the sidings.

 

[warwickshire]

5N94 1100 Ilford E.M.U.D TO Clacton C.S.D today Wednesday 19th April 2023.
Saw 321307 321314 return to Clacton C.S.D.
Unsure future use or Decommissioning.
However 321307 321314 now at Clacton csd again.

 

[CEPG]

Thanks both, plenty of confusion going around!

Indeed. We at CEPG were not notified of ERS' Acquisition until the day that we were authorised to go live with our own! They are separate, with the big difference being ERS is a commercial venture for filming with no public access and no secure future as a complete unit in preservation once the filming work dries up. Our one, however, if all goes to plan, will be "preserved" - in the sense that it will be open to the public, with further community uses found. This ensures while there is no operational scope the unit doesn't just sit and decay doing nothing and provides a useful income to fund our projects. We also have the ethos to not undertake any extensive modifications that would inhibit the operational future, so much further in the future, if someone came to us with a costed business plan to make the set operational, it wouldn't be a practical impossibility like other units which have only been part-preserved.

 

[Phil Scott]

Weren't there rumours at one point of the EARM getting a driving car to go with that from 317345?

 

[reddragon]

Indeed. We at CEPG were not notified of ERS' Acquisition until the day that we were authorised to go live with our own! They are separate, with the big difference being ERS is a commercial venture for filming with no public access and no secure future as a complete unit in preservation once the filming work dries up. Our one, however, if all goes to plan, will be "preserved" - in the sense that it will be open to the public, with further community uses found. This ensures while there is no operational scope the unit doesn't just sit and decay doing nothing and provides a useful income to fund our projects. We also have the ethos to not undertake any extensive modifications that would inhibit the operational future, so much further in the future, if someone came to us with a costed business plan to make the set operational, it wouldn't be a practical impossibility like other units which have only been part-preserved.

What's happening with your class 309, the website says it's for sale? How does that affect the class 321 purchase?

 

[warwickshire]

5Q36 0940 Clacton csd to Walton old Jct Sidings observed by a very reliable source of mine was 37800 with 321319 earlier through Highbury and Islington. On Friday 21st April 2023.

 

[CEPG]

What's happening with your class 309, the website says it's for sale? How does that affect the class 321 purchase?

Doesn't affect it in the slightest. As we have stated before, The 309 is separate and we are undertaking separate negotiations as we speak. The plan there continues to be to find a new home which can secure its long-term future.

 

[Wivenswold]

Well, I put an extra line on the lottery tonight Brad. If I win big, there will be Class 309 and 321 railtours in a few years.

 

[gka472l]

321319 spotted being hauled through Crewe this afternoon by 37800 as 5Q36 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K05509/2023-04-21/detailed

321319 Crewe 21 April 2023

37800 hauling as 5Q36

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Second one seen as 321302 went on 6/4

HTH

 

[mk2bfk]

Indeed. We at CEPG were not notified of ERS' Acquisition until the day that we were authorised to go live with our own! They are separate, with the big difference being ERS is a commercial venture for filming with no public access and no secure future as a complete unit in preservation once the filming work dries up. Our one, however, if all goes to plan, will be "preserved" - in the sense that it will be open to the public, with further community uses found. This ensures while there is no operational scope the unit doesn't just sit and decay doing nothing and provides a useful income to fund our projects. We also have the ethos to not undertake any extensive modifications that would inhibit the operational future, so much further in the future, if someone came to us with a costed business plan to make the set operational, it wouldn't be a practical impossibility like other units which have only been part-preserved.

Why would you be notified what someone else is doing? ERS is not a commercial venture for filming, there's lot of other things ERS does... As for the secure future it has a fully funded plan to purchase and use it, it will be kept at a rail connected site so without knowing what the plans are, saying it has no secure future is purely speculation from yourselves. Good luck in making something that needs continual air and electricity supply to power the doors, lights etc. suitable for the community use...

 

[rustbucket]

Why would you be notified what someone else is doing? ERS is not a commercial venture for filming, there's lot of other things ERS does... As for the secure future it has a fully funded plan to purchase and use it, it will be kept at a rail connected site so without knowing what the plans are, saying it has no secure future is purely speculation from yourselves. Good luck in making something that needs continual air and electricity supply to power the doors, lights etc. suitable for the community use...

100% agreed - the ERS one I would be far more confident of having a long term future given their history of buying stock and refurbishing and reusing

They also have their roots firmly in preservation given a number of them have previously been active members of Mid Norfolk Railway etc

 

[CDM]

Passed a 321 DTC on the A1(M) yesterday evening, near Stilton.
It was heading north, blunt end leading. I was heading south on the opposite carriageway so didn't catch the number but it was a 'classic', in all white.
Was surprised to see a road move of single vehicle, since they've got so adapt at loco hauling them.
Anyone know what that one was up to?

 

[Class15]

Passed a 321 DTC on the A1(M) yesterday evening, near Stilton.
It was heading north, blunt end leading. I was heading south on the opposite carriageway so didn't catch the number but it was a 'classic', in all white.
Was surprised to see a road move of single vehicle, since they've got so adapt at loco hauling them.
Anyone know what that one was up to?

It may have been taken by road if the carriage was not fit to be moved by rail?

 

[CDM]

Yeah that could be a reason moved by road (though all units left GA hauled by rail and wasn't aware any had since been stripped to a condition where they would no longer be suitable for further movement by rail).

I was really meaning, does anyone know which unit and where it was off to/coming from.

TBH I thought all the storage locations were further north than Peterborough anyway, so that's what particularly surprised me!

 

[warwickshire]

323121 at Ilford hasn't moved since August 2022. However don't take it for granted its this one. Until any further information actually confirmed comes to alight. However very interesting one to find out it's actual number.
Of who may have purchased a vehicle.
Or was it scrap bound.