Thumper1127
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The 0526 Poole to Waterloo definitely went up as 442 so the 0830 out of Waterloo diagram etc will be 442 unless there is any short notice issue.
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Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently
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The 0526 Poole to Waterloo definitely went up as 442 so the 0830 out of Waterloo diagram etc will be 442 unless there is any short notice issue.
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It looks like the 0845 ex Portsmouth Harbour is the diagram that is not now running 442. This diagram is, I believe:
Ex Waterloo
1100, 1530 to Portsmouth then the 2005 to Poole.
Ex Portsmouth
0845, 1315, 1745
The 0915 ex Portsmouth definitely seems to be 442.
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The 9 prefix is still used to denote a schedule for a 442, to flag up route restrictions, so I’d say if ever the schedule reverts to a class 1 then the 442 isn’t happening...
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I notice this has gone in the system starting today (runs as req.) 5Q42
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C02314/2020-02-03/detailed
Proving runs for retractioned units perhaps?
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C02314/2020-02-03/detailed
Proving runs for retractioned units perhaps?
I’m not convinced it’s a 442 because it runs round to Staines etc. I’m more inclined to suggest it’s for 701s?
Agreed
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There is those I guess. Only reason it made me think that is the 442s regularly went round Staines way going to and from Eastleigh/Stewarts Lane etc during the southern off-leasing. Plus the 42 in the headcode. I know that doesn't indicate anything really, but still.
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9B90 lost about 20 mins in the Winchfield area this morning, arrived 27L into woking at 0749. Canned there and sent to Guildford to start 9P17 at 0833, but was 43L away from there too.
According to National Rail Enquiries the 07:49 arrival was delay due to a train fault. That is also the reason for its late departure from Guildford.
Anyone know what the fault was? They didn't run it from Woking, whatever the fault was.
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9B90 was crossed into the platform at Winchfield. According to the guard's announcement there had been reports of excessive arcing from the rear of the train, presumably passing Basingstoke. Checked by the crew, nothing apparently found and, by all accounts, progress through Farnborough when back on the fast line was perfectly normal. The guard then announced that Control were not happy to allow the train to proceed into London in case there was somthing wrong with it and so it would terminate at Woking (where of course it is not booked to call).
No special arrangements made, so a 10 car load of unhappy passengers from Winchester and beyond had to disperse via the already full and standing regular services.
Even more galling was the fact that I usually catch the 0651 ex Southampton Airport Parkway (9B92) but caught the Poole at 0638 as it was a few minutes late. 9B92 trundled through Woking non-stop as booked, 13 late whilst my arrival in WAT was 50 late. After last week where there was no service at all from SOA, people are getting angry.
No special arrangements made, so a 10 car load of unhappy passengers from Winchester and beyond had to disperse via the already full and standing regular services.
Even more galling was the fact that I usually catch the 0651 ex Southampton Airport Parkway (9B92) but caught the Poole at 0638 as it was a few minutes late. 9B92 trundled through Woking non-stop as booked, 13 late whilst my arrival in WAT was 50 late. After last week where there was no service at all from SOA, people are getting angry.
I was told that it was reported as a dragging brake and smoke, it’s possible either one was true, or perhaps the guard thought on their feet and to prevent panic etc claimed 3rd rail issues.
either way, service levels lately continue to be disappointing
either way, service levels lately continue to be disappointing
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I'd planned a day out on the piggies last week, having not been on one for decades - not the best timing with the Eastleigh fiasco, but the Direct appeared to be running fairly normally. However my up train got later and later, and was terminated at Guildford with an unspecified "train fault". RTT subsequently showed it returning south as ECS.
I'd intended to use one of two possible diagrams for my return, but both were cancelled.
Aside from the reliability issue, I did actually like the refurbished interior. The seat was more comfortable than a 450 (though I wasn't actually in it that long), plenty of knee room, subdued lighting, and quieter HVAC than the Desiros. The width of the door and vestibule didn't seem to be an issue, though I was on a fairly empty train and it might be different in the peaks.
Overall I hope SWR can finally make them work, I'd certainly prefer them to the 450s and possibly over the 444s, though I'd need a longer experience of them to decide that.
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Well, I tried again today, with only slightly better results. The up train was OK, but my planned return on the 1400 from Waterloo was cancelled, again stated as due to a train fault, so reliability does seem to be an issue (although my sample is very small, three cancellations out of four services isn't great). I suppose that until retractioning, they're still using 54(?) year old EE equipment that began life under the 4-REPs, so maybe it's not surprising that it's become unreliable.
One minor odd thing that I noticed is that some but not all units seem to have dark-tinted windows. When my up train ran in, I could see into the front unit's coaches quite easily, but not into the rear unit's windows. On board the rear unit, it was evident that a tinted film had been applied after the windows had been fitted, as there were small gaps at the edges where the film was cut slightly smaller than the glass. Does anyone know why this was done to some but not others?
One minor odd thing that I noticed is that some but not all units seem to have dark-tinted windows. When my up train ran in, I could see into the front unit's coaches quite easily, but not into the rear unit's windows. On board the rear unit, it was evident that a tinted film had been applied after the windows had been fitted, as there were small gaps at the edges where the film was cut slightly smaller than the glass. Does anyone know why this was done to some but not others?
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If my backtracking of it on RTT is right, this is the same one I used last night from PTR to PMS (9P55). Spent a good bit of the stretch between Farlington and Fratton lurching and banging its way down the track. Definitely seemed like something wasn't quite right.
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Does anyone have definite info on what 442 units formed today's 9P50 (1445 PMH-WAT) which failed at PMH today due to a fault.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Sander pipe detached and hanging under unit. Linked to also potentially damaging stuff in the Petersfield area also.
theironroad
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Thanks, I'm aware of those issues and that the sander pipe has finally been secured by fitters. Really curious to know what 2 units were involved. Anyone,?
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2408+2423.
theironroad
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2415 off to Wolverton by the looks of it; 57312/47815 are the locos with the move.
5Q77 0703 Eastleigh Arlington (Zg) to Wolverton Centre Sidings
5Q77 0703 Eastleigh Arlington (Zg) to Wolverton Centre Sidings
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The retractioning is being carried out at Wolverton from 2415 onwards
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£££££
It’s cheaper to move the units to their own works at Wolverton than pay for rent at Eastleigh
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There’s been normal access to/from both the works and the depot via Eastleigh P3 since Sunday evening. A strange suggestion given that the earlier link to RTT clearly showed the train leaving Eastleigh Works via P3?
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Do you happen to know which ones have been done at Eastleigh, and which are therefore going to Wolverton?
The 57 was 57305. 57312 is at Leicester LIP.
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2402 & 2419 will be the ones done at Eastleigh. Possibly 2422 as that is in there as well.
Wolverton will be 2403, 2404, 2406, 2408, 2409, 2410, 2411, 2413, 2414, 2415, 2416, 2417, 2418, 2420 & 2423. (Bold units have not yet entered passenger service with SWR)
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Does anyone have the current 4?? diagrams handy for the the units that are in service?
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Diagram 1
9B90 05.45 POO-WAT
9P17 08.00 WAT-PMH
9P32 10.15 PMH-WAT
9P35 12.30 WAT-PMH
9P50 14.45 PMH-WAT
9G53 17.15 WAT-PMS (via CSD)
Diagram 2
9P20 07.14 PMH-WAT
9P23 09.30 WAT-PMH
9P38 11.45 PMH-WAT
9P41 14.00 WAT-PMH
9P56 16.15 PMH-WAT
9B95 18.48 WAT-POO
Diagram 3
5Q92 05+41 XBM-SOA
9B92 06.51 SOA-WAT
9P19 08.30 WAT-PMH
9P34 10.45 PMH-WAT
9P37 13.00 WAT-PMH
9P52 15.15 PMH-WAT
9P55 17.30 WAT-PMH
Diagram 4
9G18 06.43 PMH-WAT (via CSD)
5Q16 08+48 WAT-XCY
5Q53 15+52 XCY-WAT
9P53 17.00 WAT-PMH
9P66 19.15 PMH-WAT
9B69 21.05 WAT-POO
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