Helvellyn
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As opposed to 352?Can someone point me to a 442 discussion please?
(I'll get my coat)
As opposed to 352?Can someone point me to a 442 discussion please?
Exactly. First, Since it looked at itself in the mirror and became spooked of it's own identity has spiralled into some sort of incohesive mess in my opinion. As I've covered before, the bus side cant decide if it's going to stick with the modernised version of it's own 2012 "Olympia" livery or branch out to localised versions of it or just bin it off all together (See BOS & FK), GWR and remains a frankly drab mess SWR just shows that First seems to be on the verge of binning it off.
SWR from it's interception has always seemed cold to me, the scheme on the 159s sits awkwardly alongside the far more colourful versions of the SWT scheme, and given that 111 remains the only Desiro to be delivered into a now non existent version of SWR scheme, it doesn't exactly give an impression of a franchise in control. And it's still laughable that the fictional SWR loco was smarter than the end result, which frankly looks like it deserves to sit on a remote Ski Chalet in the Alps than across a major franchise covering the South West!
I've tried to like it, but the plainness and the bizarre placing of the logos on the 442s has just hit the final nail in the coffin for me. Im still unsure and to be honest a little underwhelmed by the interior scheme as well, there's just far too much dark grey. Why oh Why did First not just stay with the much smarter Lambie Nairn designed "Dynamic / City Lines"?
Thought this was it.....
A touch retro, but a set like that, maybe just the one (?), would provide a ref. to the history of the Southern - suitable branding - perhaps like the 7 city HSTs in Scotland. Vinyls of 'our' cathedrals - Winchester, Salisbury, Guildford - I would suggest Christchurch Priory.... perhaps the Abbey in Sherborne... Exeter...Just paint everything malachite green and call it a day
In September’s edition of Modern Railways, Angel Trains were quoted in saying “currently in storage, ready to go on lease and enter passenger service”.What is happening to the other 6 that's still stored. Is SWR getting themor are they going to be scrapped?
In September’s edition of Modern Railways, Angel Trains were quoted in saying “currently in storage, ready to go on lease and enter passenger service”.
Was it not the case that SWR had taken the specific 6 that Alliance needed, the 6 in best condition and ready to enter service quickly? SWR are still not taking the whole fleet, it's just that the 6 now available are those in the worst condition.
Just paint everything malachite green and call it a day
...but that was also designer stuff - and very good it was too!Suburban stock "monastic blue" (rail blue) and outer suburban/express stock blue & grey
None of this fancy designer stuff...
Suburban stock "monastic blue" (rail blue) and outer suburban/express stock blue & grey
None of this fancy designer stuff...
But it was universally despised when it was around. It looked awful. Drab and dreary....but that was also designer stuff - and very good it was too!
a) it certainly wasn't and b) that's just your opinion. Maybe the livery was applied to some rough old coaching stock that might have been better left as "obviously old" - but that stuff had to soldier on for a lot longer than was acceptable.But it was universally despised when it was around. It looked awful. Drab and dreary.
Well, I have different memories of it than you, but read any railway books of the time and I challenge you to find anything positive written about it.a) it certainly wasn't and b) that's just your opinion. Maybe the livery was applied to some rough old coaching stock that might have been better left as "obviously old" - but that stuff had to soldier on for a lot longer than was acceptable.
The AM10s were a delight when we first got them, and I think most people thought the loco-hauled expresses looked good too. Much better than the olive green or even grey coaches you saw in France and Italy.
But it was universally despised when it was around. It looked awful. Drab and dreary.
Oooh. Your taking me back to my early years at Strood and Rochester surrounded by EE507s and the odd booster !. I hope you intended to mention the FULL YELLOW ENDS btw ?.
Wonder if I will ever see my favourite EMU in Blue and Grey. Of course bits of them were originally housed in/around a blue and grey EMU !.
I think we need a new thread...Only when dirty or in the case of all-over Rail Blue, when the shine wore off.
Who "despised" these liveries? Most people I know thought the blue and grey livery was "the best" ever (save for malachite green)
Any source for this? Just so I don't waste any time trying to wait for one.I think that’s it. It does look bland ...first pax service starts Monday ?
I think that’s it. It does look bland ...first pax service starts Monday ?
There is a set in the final livery going about - but its not that one above.Obviously no it's not finished - or have they ditched the half-grey first coaches ?
The photos above are probably the driver training unit that’s been going around for some time in the grey base coat without vinyls. 442404 isn’t it?Obviously no it's not finished - or have they ditched the half-grey first coaches ?