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Class 465 and 466 set for storage/scrap: possible uses for them in future?

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gmaguire said:
I think the 465s and 466s have earned a second refurb. Though somehow I also think it’s not very likely to happen.
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A second refurb? They barely got a first one, other than the 465/9s!
 
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A second refurb? They barely got a first one, other than the 465/9s!
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True. I can only speculate as to why that was. There was a lot of vandalism to repair. They probably had to replace every window in every unit for one, which may have limited the amount of money they had to spend on changes to the interior. At the time they may have thought that items like the floor and the paint on the handrails still had some wear left.

What they did do included repainting all of the interior walls, and I think the seat backs, and new lights. They also painted the grates on the lights blue, which probably wasn’t the best idea, since the blue won’t reflect as much light as the original grey. The grates on the lights are a bad idea in general. They must block about 40% of the light from the tubes. They were removed on the 465/9s, which may contribute to the evidently more pleasant interior on those.

In the 16 or so years since the first refurb the paint on the walls, handrails and seats has discoloured and become damaged, the lights have yellowed, the floor is knackered, and more vandalism has occurred.

The way they’ve patched the floor up after moving the seats around, and stuck little caps in the back of seats that were previously attached together doesn’t help either.
 
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The last 2 working days seem to have had issues with sourcing stock to run the second half of the day, with the 15:03 AFK-VIC cancelled both on Friday and today (although the empty stock move to Ashford from Tonbridge seemed to go ahead today). On Friday 465182 + 466037 appeared to start from the 16:55 VIC-AFK, and was used also in this morning's diagrams.
 
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brad465 said:
The last 2 working days seem to have had issues with sourcing stock to run the second half of the day, with the 15:03 AFK-VIC cancelled both on Friday and today (although the empty stock move to Ashford from Tonbridge seemed to go ahead today). On Friday 465182 + 466037 appeared to start from the 16:55 VIC-AFK, and was used also in this morning's diagrams.
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No issues with sourcing stock. Unit from Tonbridge was gapped on friday and then there was a defect today that meant the stock had to be remarshalled on arrival at Ashford.
 
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No issues with sourcing stock. Unit from Tonbridge was gapped on friday and then there was a defect today that meant the stock had to be remarshalled on arrival at Ashford.
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I see. I notice that 465911 and an unidentified 466 eventually ran empty to Maidstone to start the 16:55 diagram from Maidstone instead, then resumed the sequence from 18:55 out of Ashford. Was that the defective stock or a draft-in?
 
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brad465 said:
Does anyone know what this working consisted of?

Realtime Trains | 5Q24 1029 Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Doncaster Works Wabtec | 23/09/2022

Real-time train running information for 5Q24 1029 departure from Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Doncaster Works Wabtec on 23/09/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk www.realtimetrains.co.uk
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According to photos on Flickr it was 37884 with 465912. Photo by Keith Partlow: https://flickr.com/photos/tibshelf/52379367460/

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With the news that Southeastern are removing first class from all services, could this see less specific focus for 465/9s and thus longer distance services that they still do become more 465/0/1 dominated? Thinking in particular of the Tunbridge Wells' and Maidstone East line peak diagrams, while the Gillingham services seem to already have quite the mix. In a more extreme form of speculation, could they return to their 465/2 classification?
 
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From the murky depths has done a small feature on the SE networkers for their 30th birthday

www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk

Southeastern Networker trains reach 30 years old this week - Murky Depths

Southeastern Networkers have reached 30 years in public service, with the Class 465 running in October 1992 for the first time
www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk

Like others, no idea what their future is, or if they will ever get a proper refurbish ment.
 
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30 years, wow. I still think of them as the new trains on those lines :D

Still a lot to like about them, they have excellent visibility out due to the large number of windows, slim pillars and the lack of door pockets (unlike trains with sliding doors), and they showed that seats CAN be aligned properly.
 
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I think covid has given all but the ones already in store a life extension, as the fleet size is too large to be entirely replaced without a new order, something the DfT will not be keen on currently. Whether they'll get another refurb is another matter entirely.
 
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brad465 said:
I think covid has given all but the ones already in store a life extension, as the fleet size is too large to be entirely replaced without a new order, something the DfT will not be keen on currently. Whether they'll get another refurb is another matter entirely.
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Another refurb??? Most of them are yet, except for disabled toilet fitting, to have any significant refurb!
 
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Once the 707s arrive in full, there's no excuse to not have a proper refurb scheme on the Networkers and 376s.
 
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According to wikipedia, 465907/465912/465929 have been stored. How many more /9s will be stored? If they store them all at this stage, that'd be a net loss in stock. Plus, they are by far the best of the 465s, looking much better than the /0 and /1 inside.
 
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SolomonSouth said:
According to wikipedia, 465907/465912/465929 have been stored. How many more /9s will be stored? If they store them all at this stage, that'd be a net loss in stock. Plus, they are by far the best of the 465s, looking much better than the /0 and /1 inside.
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I'm sure I saw 929 in service very recently. 912 did go into store but since moved back to Doncaster works, don't know about 907.
 
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If they store them all at this stage, that'd be a net loss in stock.
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If they are broken it isn't really a loss in stock as they aren't available for service in any case. Given the 465/2s have gone, it does seem logical that the 465/9s would go if there are further fleet cuts to be made, although it doesn't help release the 377/5s.
 
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If they are broken it isn't really a loss in stock as they aren't available for service in any case. Given the 465/2s have gone, it does seem logical that the 465/9s would go if there are further fleet cuts to be made, although it doesn't help release the 377/5s.
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The /9s are in a much better condition than the /2s, though. According to reliability figures as of 2020 they are more reliable than /0s and /1s, and do seem to have a performance edge in the dry, as timed by me and some other people on several occasions. Though I will admit the last part is subjective as driver power etc.
 
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