Class 66 whoops

[Smudger105e]

 

[anthony263]

where was this taken?

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Old news. From March 2008 actually.

 

[Darandio]

Old news. From March 2008 actually.

Really?

I presumed by looking at the name of the OP, they were trying to give us an amazing exclusive. Appears not.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Really?

I presumed by looking at the name of the OP, they were trying to give us an amazing exclusive. Appears not.

Right click, open image in new tab and it comes from an album by "tommytenpin", and the album is called "Donny March 2008".

EDIT: However, looking into it further, according to the photo data it was taken on the 24th of July 2011 at 00:32.... Confusing. Perhaps I was a little hasty to call it old news...

 

[Smudger105e]

The album Donny March 2008 was the car pictures that are in the album.

The loco is 66207, and it was at Toton on 24th July 2011, although I will check my camera's date as the derailment occurred at 08:30.

I was driving but it wasn't my fault, honest guvn'r

 

[richw]

properties of the photo show they were created on 8 june 2011,

 

[Darandio]

So something is amiss then. Glory thread.

 

[asylumxl]

The 66 wanted to try it's luck at being a lorry.

 

[Smudger105e]

Oh how posting a few pictures with no comment creates confusion and speculation!

 

[Darandio]

Oh how posting a few pictures with no comment creates confusion and speculation!

Not surprising really?

You claim to have been driving, stating it happened on 24th July but the pics seem to originate from June?

I am in no way knocking your credentials in your profession, but you must appreciate that at the same time, you could be 11 years old and trying to "look good".

 

[Smudger105e]

Yes I could be 12 and trying to look good. I wish I was 11 again!!

I am 51 and had to be drug screened after the derailment, and off safety critical duties until the Wednesday. And it was not my fault as it happened again during the re-enactment.

Not sure why the picture is wrongly dated June, must be set up wrong. I will check that...

 

[Hydro]

At least the breakdown gang won't have to go far. DBS yards are fun for derailment hazards.

 

[Darandio]

Yes I could be 12 and trying to look good. I wish I was 11 again!!

I am 51 and had to be drug screened after the derailment, and off safety critical duties until the Wednesday. And it was not my fault as it happened again during the re-enactment.

Not sure why the picture is wrongly dated June, must be set up wrong. I will check that...

I was pretty sure you weren't, simply because I saw your posts earlier about driving, weights and loads etc.

However, some people do it.

 

[GearJammer]

I am 51 and had to be drug screened after the derailment, and off safety critical duties until the Wednesday. And it was not my fault as it happened again during the re-enactment.

Why the hell were you drug screened etc? This is what ****es me off about railways, surely anyone can look at that and see what happened is out of the drivers control?

 

[Darandio]

Why the hell were you drug screened etc? This is what ****es me off about railways, surely anyone can look at that and see what happened is out of the drivers control?

Not really, you can see they are manual points. Whats to say they were not under the influence and had set the road wrong which would then be under the drivers control? It's just procedure.

 

[GearJammer]

Not really, you can see they are manual points. Whats to say they were not under the influence and had set the road wrong which would then be under the drivers control? It's just procedure.

Still seems a bit OTT to me.

 

[fgwrich]

At least the breakdown gang won't have to go far. DBS yards are fun for derailment hazards.

Like Eastleigh, Where it is pretty common to spot the wonky angled 08 thats fallen off somewhere along DBSs yards!

Mind you, some of the TOCs are starting to have fun too! Northern and the bi-directional 156, FGWs Long Rock depot also seems to becoming a derailment trap - HST Last June, Chingfinders Peds tour this year - Mk2 bogie had derailed...

 

[Smudger105e]

Not really, you can see they are manual points. Whats to say they were not under the influence and had set the road wrong which would then be under the drivers control? It's just procedure.

It is all taken very seriously, the cost of such an incident is not insignificant (as Darandio says).

I had stopped and just changed the points shown in the photo, so obviously the FOC had to ensure that I was not the cause of the derailment, that my statement tallied with the download, and the evidence from the incident (marks on rails, chairs, sleepers, wheels etc.) also tallied with my statement. Imagine what would have happened if I had drugs or alcohol in my system. Instant dismissal. And the Network Rail drugs and alcohol levels are 1/3 of those for driving a car!!

Take this incident as an example. The FOC incurred costs for the track staff (2 of them), the loco out of service for 24 hours additional, back onto the lathe for wheel checks (it had just been turned), calling a recovery team in from home to rerail (5 staff)cost of track repairs, my time off my duties, Ops Manager doing an investigation (he was called frorm home too), download of Q-tron (black box), calling out drug screening agency and the reenactment.

So just on staff costs it was in the region of 8 staff called out for, let's say 8 hours each, that's 64 hours, and with overheads that will be around £60 per hour, £3840 for staff costs alone, and thats not including all the other peripheral staff such as myself, Production Manager, Control Manager, lost production, damage to equipment etc. etc.

I was on duty until 18:00 that day, and the loco had not been rerailed by the time I went home, so the yard was also blocked for around 12 hours.

 

[GearJammer]

But surely they can look at the situation and see whats happened? Surely your superiors can look at you at the time and see if your acting normal or not or under the influence, they must know you on a personal level to a certain extent? For example my transport manager can quite often tell when im in a bad mood or tired or at the other end of the scale and in a good mood etc. I would have thought that the people on the ground could look at you and the circumstances and decide if you really need to be taken off certain duties, like i said it all seems a bit regimental and OTT to me.

 

[richw]

FGWs Long Rock depot also seems to becoming a derailment trap - HST Last June, Chingfinders Peds tour this year - Mk2 bogie had derailed...

not forgetting a couple of 15*s which have had minor mishaps on the same points in recent times.
Hadnt heard of the chingfinders peds incident!

 

[Maxfly]

But surely they can look at the situation and see whats happened? Surely your superiors can look at you at the time and see if your acting normal or not or under the influence, they must know you on a personal level to a certain extent? For example my transport manager can quite often tell when im in a bad mood or tired or at the other end of the scale and in a good mood etc. I would have thought that the people on the ground could look at you and the circumstances and decide if you really need to be taken off certain duties, like i said it all seems a bit regimental and OTT to me.

Unfortunately It seems you or your bosses have not worked with many people who are serious drink/drug users as believe me after time
Some can hide it very well and not only does it protect the company but also the individual involved as a test can prove in eithers favour. Tbh that sort of test is nowhere near over the top, think how many people have a good skinfull, sleep then get up for work the next day, feel fine but could well be over the limit??

 

[ralphchadkirk]

The railways have a very strict blood alcohol limit, far less than the roads, so it is perfectly possible for someone to appear normal but be over the limit and have their faculties impaired.

 

[Crapper]

The management at that company don't usually need much of an excuse to download the q-tron or call out the man from Uni-Labs or Medscreen. It's almost always done in derailment cases, however obvious the cause. Mind you, this is a company that bollocks its Ops Managers for failure to 'discipline' drivers enough, wether they do anything wrong or not. Hence the golden handcuffs are increasingly not enough to stop people from leaving.

 

[GB]

Still seems a bit OTT to me.

It's no different to the roads. If you are involved in a RTC whether you are at fault or not you will earn yourself a road side breath test.

 

[fgwrich]

not forgetting a couple of 15*s which have had minor mishaps on the same points in recent times.
Hadnt heard of the chingfinders peds incident!

Yep, seems that every Mazy Day tour with Chingfinder comes with a supprise...Lasy year we were the first out of Penzance, And got as far as....St Erth - Due to a lineside fire closer to Truro and a HST in the section ahead (St Erth to Truro is the longest stretch of block signalling in cornwall)...This year we were the last out due to the last bogie of the Mk2 derailling in Long Rock depot - Were last year, that claimed a HST on Mazey Day - An when youve got 4 railtours passing it - Ah!

 

[GearJammer]

It's no different to the roads. If you are involved in a RTC whether you are at fault or not you will earn yourself a road side breath test.

It is and it is'nt, if i have a breath test over a minor accident (which this looks to be relatively minor, its obvious its not a high speed derailment, its just drooped off the track) and it comes back clear then thats it, im on my way, im not took off the road for 3 days! Thats the bit that seems OTT to me

 

[Helvellyn]

It's also about consistency, so that should someone be found over the limit a disciplinary can't be thrown out because Joe Bloggs, mate of the supervisor, wasn't tested when he had a similar incident a month earlier. The incident have nothing to fear from being tested, because you know that: -

a) random tests can take place at any time
b) tests will take place after an incident

 

[Smudger105e]

think how many people have a good skinfull, sleep then get up for work the next day, feel fine but could well be over the limit??

I musy admit one of my colleagues said that as this was early on a Sunday morning, it is good that I am not a heavy drinker, or had not had a skin full on the Saturday evening, the alcohol screening may have had a different outcome...

Also, with the NWR limits being so low, it is likely that one would behave perfectly normally but still be over the limit for safety critical work...

 

[DarloRich]

But surely they can look at the situation and see whats happened? Surely your superiors can look at you at the time and see if your acting normal or not or under the influence, they must know you on a personal level to a certain extent? For example my transport manager can quite often tell when im in a bad mood or tired or at the other end of the scale and in a good mood etc. I would have thought that the people on the ground could look at you and the circumstances and decide if you really need to be taken off certain duties, like i said it all seems a bit regimental and OTT to me.

but if you were involved in an accident on the road you would have a breath sample taken. Regardless of what you were like or how you presented.