Class 67 Locomotive Questions.

[Wyrleybart]

Is there a reason why 67003 is being scrapped?

The real reason class 67s were built at all, was because back in the later 1990s the EWS board believed they needed something to replace the class 47s on mail and charter trains = ie something fast and with an electric train supply.

EWS wanted an EMD product with the proven EMD 710 engine and were originally going to order 280 JRT42CWRs (class 66s) of which 30 would have ETS and higher speed capabilites. Unfortunately, EWS and EMD didn't want to invest heavily in a "high speed" Co bogie design for that JT42CWR design, so compromised and built a UK sized version of the existing design.

I think it needs to be said that EWS wanted to squeeze every last drop of diesel fuel into the designs to avoid stopping for fuel so both the class 66 and 67 were designed to the maximum and this became an issue when it came to certification of the 67s in the UK. Not seen it corroborated anywhere but there was rumour that the fuel tanks had to be baffled and slghlty reduced to meet permissible axle loadings. Effectively the 67s were built to replace the RES 47/7s, but fell a little short in range.

 

[Yorkshire09876]

Unfortunately, EWS and EMD didn't want to invest heavily in a "high speed" Co bogie design for that JT42CWR design, so compromised and built a UK sized version of the existing design.

The job was farmed out - Alstom built them in Spain, using major components (engine and principal electric components) from EMD.

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67019 & 67030 are both reported on WNXX to have been shunted to the rear of the shed a couple of days ago after some component recovery, by the look of them they could well be meeting up with 67003 in the not too distant future

67019 is the longest stored of all - over 10 years now.

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Of those which were stored and put on a tender list for disposal, 67026 and 67028 were reported sold to TfW. 67003 has been scrapped. 67019 and 67030 look to have been used as parts donors.

Of the 10 offered for sale, that leaves 67001/004/009/011/018. Anyone know what sort of state these are in?

 

[37052 xb mr]

004 looked pretty much intact
On 24/5 photo on Facebook,
As far as I know the rest at Crewe EMD are intack but in various parts of
Decay, 001 was used as depot shunter
Till last year.

 

[ExRes]

001 was used as depot shunter
Till last year.

Stone me, they must have been scraping underneath the barrel to use a 67, must have the most appalling starting and low speed power delivery of any loco ever made

 

[50002Superb]

The job was farmed out - Alstom built them in Spain, using major components (engine and principal electric components) from EMD.

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67019 is the longest stored of all - over 10 years now.

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Of those which were stored and put on a tender list for disposal, 67026 and 67028 were reported sold to TfW. 67003 has been scrapped. 67019 and 67030 look to have been used as parts donors.

Of the 10 offered for sale, that leaves 67001/004/009/011/018. Anyone know what sort of state these are in?

What’s happening to 026 and 028? Are they staying at Crewe?

 

[Richard Scott]

The job was farmed out - Alstom built them in Spain, using major components (engine and principal electric components) from EMD.

Which also built the very similar 334s for Renfe (although believe main alternators were recovered from other locos?), which have been run at 200km/h on passenger trains but are now being used less and less. Possible similar fate awaits them?!!

 

[Trainman40083]

What’s happening to 026 and 028? Are they staying at Crewe?

One was for service with TfW and the other for spares with TfW

 

[37052 xb mr]

One was for service with TfW and the other for spares with TfW

026 spares, 028 service, if was still waiting for the extra plug socket to be fitted, last seen in November on a trip to Toton & back

 

[D365]

026 spares, 028 service, if was still waiting for the extra plug socket to be fitted, last seen in November on a trip to Toton & back

What is a plug socket on a 67?

 

[Trainman40083]

What is a plug socket on a 67?

Presume to have some control over the MK4 coaches

 

[ic31420]

Really can't make any sense out of TfW having one operation locomotive.

 

[37052 xb mr]

What is a plug socket on a 67?

The TFW pool locos have a extra socket on the front to work with the Mk4 coaches

 

[Trainman40083]

Really can't make any sense out of TFGM having one operation locomotive.

TFGM? TfW

 

[ic31420]

TFGM? TfW

Tfw. tfw tfw ... that's who I meant... ops. *edited*

 

[Yorkshire09876]

The TFW pool locos have a extra socket on the front to work with the Mk4 coaches

They do (on both ends) - just to the side of and above the AAR multiple working socket (which is in the middle of the yellow panel).

Why do people use the term 'plug socket' though? A socket is a socket. The plug is the thing which goes into it so 'plug socket' makes no sense at all.

 

[Doomotron]

Why do people use the term 'plug socket' though? A socket is a socket. The plug is the thing which goes into it so 'plug socket' makes no sense at all.

Way off topic here, but a socket isn't a socket. A socket for a wrench is very different to a socket for a plug.

 

[DelW]

It's sad to see such a young loco being scrapped. If only they had been more useful when they were new!

You'd have been devastated if you'd been around in the 1960s and '70s. Hundreds of locos barely made double figures!

 

[Yorkshire09876]

Way off topic here, but a socket isn't a socket. A socket for a wrench is very different to a socket for a plug.

So there are different types of socket. So what? The context will make it obvious what is being referred to. One which provides some type of electrical connection is still a socket, not a 'plug socket'.

There are also different types of plug (electrical ones and the ones which keep the water in the sink, for example). By the 'plug socket' logic, these ought to be called 'socket plugs' and 'plughole plugs'.

 

[Trainman40083]

So there are different types of socket. So what? The context will make it obvious what is being referred to. One which provides some type of electrical connection is still a socket, not a 'plug socket'.

There are also different types of plug (electrical ones and the ones which keep the water in the sink, for example). By the 'plug socket' logic, these ought to be called 'socket plugs' and 'plughole plugs'.

Sounds like a Two Ronnies sketch now.

 

[Richard Scott]

You'd have been devastated if you'd been around in the 1960s and '70s. Hundreds of locos barely made double figures!

Also some considered reasonably successful e.g. 46s only just made it to 20 years or so before withdrawal.

 

[Chorley Cake]

Class 50s had barely 20 years before they started to be withdrawn.

Nimbus just scraped 16 years in service.

56042 had 12 years in service.

 

[WAB]

Class 50s had barely 20 years before they started to be withdrawn.

Nimbus just scraped 16 years in service.

56042 had 12 years in service.

I imagine these classes were used far more intensively, though.

 

[Chorley Cake]

I imagine these classes were used far more intensively, though.

Yes definitely. Apart from occasional Welsh and Chiltern services I’ve never seen them running. Feels like all new diesel locos have been poorly used since the 1980s (apart from 66s).

 

[Yorkshire09876]

Yes definitely. Apart from occasional Welsh and Chiltern services I’ve never seen them running. Feels like all new diesel locos have been poorly used since the 1980s (apart from 66s).

They are fairly useless for anything heavy, and the mail traffic which they were bought mainly for disappeared early on. Since then their use has been mostly on passenger services, and has declined as the last loco-hauled trains have gradually mostly disappeared (and several of those few remaining - Chiltern and the sleepers in Scotland - have moved to alternative traction).

 

[wickham]

Yes, it is sad to see modern locomotives like the Class 67s go for scrap, but they are very under-used and some have been out of service for many years. However, they are a very useful source of spares, in particular the GM engines, for the DB Class 66 fleet as their equipment is the same or very similar. Dismantling some of those disused locos for parts will save DB a considerable amount of money in not having to pay out for these parts. It is reported elsewhere that 67019 and 67030 have been stripped at Toton, so their remains may not be with us for much longer. It is ironic that the older class 60s still sit around rotting, but they are not of similar value for spare parts.

 

[19Gnasher69]

Good afternoon.
Does anyone know the disposition of the class 67s at Toton and Crewe Electric?
Are they visible for the purposes of photography from the usual vantage points? (Acknowledging the limitations of the latter at CE.)