Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates

[spark001uk]

Should be 002 on Dorking diagram and 005 on Kingston/sheppy today.
Any reason they haven't used 006/007 yet? 2 and 5 will have a shed load more miles on them by the time they're ready to go into service at this rate surely?

 

[444045]

It used to be that they had to do ten thousand fault free miles before being allowed into traffic service

 

[Goldfish62]

Should be 002 on Dorking diagram and 005 on Kingston/sheppy today.
Any reason they haven't used 006/007 yet? 2 and 5 will have a shed load more miles on them by the time they're ready to go into service at this rate surely?

I think the first stage is testing the class to satisfy ORR that the trains are safe to use in passenger service (which is what's happening now), then once that's achieved fault-free mileage accumulation is undertaken with the final stage being acceptance into the SWR fleet and crew training. Please correct me if that's wrong.

 

[HstFan33]

H All
Here is the 701 path for tomorrow from Derby to Eastleigh
hope this is useful
Cheers

Realtime Trains - 6X24 0446 Derby Litchurch Lane to Eastleigh Trsmd

Realtime Trains provides live realtime running information for the Great British railway network using open data.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Goldfish62]

H All
Here is the 701 path for tomorrow from Derby to Eastleigh
hope this is useful
Cheers

Realtime Trains - 6X24 0446 Derby Litchurch Lane to Eastleigh Trsmd

Realtime Trains provides live realtime running information for the Great British railway network using open data.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Cancelled.

 

[WWTownEnth]

Any idea why today's delivery got cancelled?

 

[456]

701001?
701002 testing?
701003?
701004?
701005 testing?
701006?
701007?

I am not very bright. sorry about that. When 458/5 were being introduced a member did a table like this of what the units were up to. Oh yeah can you correct me on this.

 

[WWTownEnth]

I think it was me actually.

This is all I have so far:

701002 delivered on 10 June 2020

701004 delivered on 30 June 2020

701005 delivered on 20 July 2020

701006 delivered on 31 July 2020

701007 delivered on 14 August 2020

701008 aborted delivery on 26 August 2020

 

[DorkingMain]

I think the first stage is testing the class to satisfy ORR that the trains are safe to use in passenger service (which is what's happening now), then once that's achieved fault-free mileage accumulation is undertaken with the final stage being acceptance into the SWR fleet and crew training. Please correct me if that's wrong.

Not far off - current testing is route clearance (which is why they're being sent all over the network)

 

[456]

I think it was me actually.

This is all I have so far:

701002 delivered on 10 June 2020

701004 delivered on 30 June 2020

701005 delivered on 20 July 2020

701006 delivered on 31 July 2020

701007 delivered on 14 August 2020

701008 aborted delivery on 26 August 2020

we know 002 and 005 are on test. i am guessing 006 and 007 are getting ready for testing. Not sure about 004

 

[swt_passenger]

It used to be that they had to do ten thousand fault free miles before being allowed into traffic service

There's always loads of different figures suggested, and IIRC it varies between contracts, but I don’t recall 10,000 miles ever being normal?

 

[Energy]

701001?
701002 testing?
701003?
701004?
701005 testing?
701006?
701007?

I am not very bright. sorry about that. When 458/5 were being introduced a member did a table like this of what the units were up to. Oh yeah can you correct me on this.

There is a table thing which looks like this (\/)

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I'm not really a fan of it. Most do it by colour coding, you can select the colour with the thing to the right of the strike through (S with a line).

 

[Bigfoot]

There won't be any swr crew/driver training for a while given the results of an aslef inspection recently.

 

[spark001uk]

Any idea why today's delivery got cancelled?

Don't know why the delivery was cancelled, but today's two test diagrams from Waterloo - one of Dorking runs, and the other doing Guildford (new line) and Guildford to Aldershot, have both been cancelled. There was a points failure early morning near Berrylands which is more than likely the reason.

 

[DorkingMain]

There won't be any swr crew/driver training for a while given the results of an aslef inspection recently.

There's been various disputes about the cab design - initially SWR were going to try and put reduced size cabs on them to get more passenger space, which ASLEF flat out rejected. SWR promised to change it, but I suspect they didn't change it very much.

 

[Bigfoot]

There's been various disputes about the cab design - initially SWR were going to try and put reduced size cabs on them to get more passenger space, which ASLEF flat out rejected. SWR promised to change it, but I suspect they didn't change it very much.

One of Aslefs current arguments is the cabs don't meet the minimum egress distance in an emergency of 400mm. That's pretty small as a minimum! Let alone any smaller.

 

[spark001uk]

Tomorrow (27th) 5Q30/31/32 Eastleigh - Staines - Windsor - Staines - Eastleigh.

 

[Goldfish62]

One of Aslefs current arguments is the cabs don't meet the minimum egress distance in an emergency of 400mm. That's pretty small as a minimum! Let alone any smaller.

The ones for WMT look to have the same cab size but with the added constraint of a gangway!

There's been various disputes about the cab design - initially SWR were going to try and put reduced size cabs on them to get more passenger space, which ASLEF flat out rejected. SWR promised to change it, but I suspect they didn't change it very much.

Isn't at least one dispute about the design of a new train just one of those rituals that occurs as a matter of routine? Or am I being cynical?

 

[Scottychoo]

The first visit to Portsmouth today of a 701, running as 5Q30-5Q34, Eastleigh - Portsmouth - Guildford - Portsmouth - Eastleigh.

Suprised it got out of pompey without being graffitied or having its wheels nicked

 

[pompeyfan]

I think there’s a lot more risk to the units in the suburbs of London where they’ll actually be working. Didn’t the 707s get tagged on their delivery run.

 

[spark001uk]

707s are always getting painted. So I don't think they'll hesitate to do the same to the 701s.

 

[Flange Squeal]

I did hear once that in the ‘graffiti community’ there is a kind of ‘badge of honour’ for being the first to get your tag on a new class of train.

 

[traji00]

I think there’s a lot more risk to the units in the suburbs of London where they’ll actually be working. Didn’t the 707s get tagged on their delivery run.

Slightly off topic but IIRC the 707 in question got done at Clapham Yard sidings.
This may be why 701004 is hidden from sight at Wimbledon Park? (Aside from familiarisation etc)

 

[456]

Any word on when 008 or 001 or 003 is coming?

 

[Train Boy]

Any word on when 008 or 001 or 003 is coming?

008 due Tuesday

 

[spark001uk]

A landslip near Micheldever yesterday has closed the line, so it's no doubt going to cause disruption to any testing north of there until it's repaired. Unless of course they go round Fareham and up the PDL, like one has already.

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

701 featured on BBC local news at lunchtime. Headlined as new Waterloo to Reading trains. In SWR livery including the new fleet name on the carriages.

 

[Nicks]

Interesting Modern Railways video about these units (linked on 707 departure thread) - apparently they have unique toilets and the tanks can go up to 45 days before emptying (3-4 days is the norm) - be interesting to see that in practice and whether they start to smell!

 

[hwl]

Interesting Modern Railways video about these units (linked on 707 departure thread) - apparently they have unique toilets and the tanks can go up to 45 days before emptying (3-4 days is the norm) - be interesting to see that in practice and whether they start to smell!

Lots of discussion of the innovative toilet on the first few thread pages.

Realistically they should get through an empty facility sooner than once a week on average but it gives plenty of flexibility.

 

[WombleGuard]

Interesting Modern Railways video about these units (linked on 707 departure thread) - apparently they have unique toilets and the tanks can go up to 45 days before emptying (3-4 days is the norm) - be interesting to see that in practice and whether they start to smell!

I heard 4 to 5 days........ Not 45 days. Am I wrong? 45 days is a long time to be carrying 'that' around.