Not using the old Eurostar connection/Linford curve I see (I'm guessing route knowledge is very limited these days).Given this has just gone live...
Realtime Trains - 5Z30 0019 London Waterloo to Grove Park C.S.D.
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That suggests post#246 last Sunday was very much right after all then? Change of operator in P24 at Waterloo...Given this has just gone live...
Realtime Trains - 5Z30 0019 London Waterloo to Grove Park C.S.D.
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Juice is off on the Connection.
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So which is the livery they're likely to wear? Given they'll regularly be alongside 700s at London Bridge, they ought not to have a near-identical look to Thameslink 700s. I know the yellow area is wider and there's an extra stripe down the bottom but they will still look very similar.
Unfortunately the red is paint although it could be vinyled over.
Yeah, I always knew it was going to be done that way, it’s identical to when Southeastern recieved the two 377/1s & all the 5s. SN operated/timed Selhurst to Victoria then SE to Ramsgate.
Not unfortunate at all. Paint is better than vinyl.
Ive been constantly saying that liveries in the old NSE area should be uniform to avoid expensive paint jobs and confusion. Commuters dont care what colours the trains are as long as they are clean and tidy. I know its boring but it makes so much sense
Paint looks better but will be more difficult to change to SE livery.
Isn't it the case that it just happens that since the blue livery was adopted none of the metro stock has been repainted?
I actually prefer that, plus it's actually the current brand. On the other hand, anything but red is either going to be an all-over vinyl which tends not to look too great after a while, or a costly repaint.
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Not a chance. SE metro branding or just some logo stickers.
Can confirm this will be the 707s.yeah
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also here is the path from Grove Park to Ashford
Realtime Trains - 5Z20 1020 Grove Park C.S.D. to Ashford Down Sidings
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I remember that in the early days of privatisation somebody asked why Chiltern weren't repainting their class 165s into a new livery like several other TOCs, and their answer was that the trains came with an 8-year warranty on the paint so it made sense to leave it alone. Perhaps South Eastern will take a similar view about the 707s and just stick their name on the side.
They don't really need repainting this early into their life I agree, but full body vinyls tend to have a pretty short lifespan before looking rough around the edges. Leaving them red with southeastern branding would be better as I'm assuming they're probably not going to bother redoing the interior, but that 'artist's impression' suggests otherwise.
The word Stagecoach was not actually used in the branding - and the South West Trains name was owned by DfT. AIUI from earlier discussions this is why the SWT name was never removed prior to the TOC changeover day. The overall livery does use Stagecoach “house colours”, as do the 455 and 456, but I wouldn’t expect any sudden change, as reduction to the plain red they were delivered in is probably easily done by removing the orange and blue vinyl over the plain red.
All metro routes except Bromley North I believe
Likely won’t be on train services out of Victoria due to the eight car platforms fouled by longer trains at Brixton
And more critically Herne Hill.
It's absolutely routine for trains to continue in their existing livery until convenient for the adopting company to change it (until recently, Northern was a positive menagerie of liveries, though I understand it's improving). As the trains are (relatively) new, I'd guess Southeastern will paint them fairly quickly into their standard livery.
Christ. I hope not - a huge waste of the capacity.
Was supposed to be a handover from ROG to SE, but no handover will take place after a change of plan, ROG will take all the way to Grove Park.
