Class 707 to Southeastern Dates

[43096]

But I thought they had all been transferred to SE in 2021, and those still with SWR were being leased back short term.

Doesn’t that rather make it SEs choice regarding extending their stay (presumably it would have been SWR choice if they were sub leasing them out).

I do rather wonder if SWR can dictate a block on transfers rather than politely beg for a postponement

True, but DfT dictates rolling stock deployment. If DfT says South Eastern must continue to sub-lease back to SWR then SE are contractually obligated to do so.

 

[Wolfie]

But I thought they had all been transferred to SE in 2021, and those still with SWR were being leased back short term.

Doesn’t that rather make it SEs choice regarding extending their stay (presumably it would have been SWR choice if they were sub leasing them out).

I do rather wonder if SWR can dictate a block on transfers rather than politely beg for a postponement

Hmmm.... DfT (and HMT) run the railway now!

 

[Grvrdvicdr]

Well there’s nothing official on the 377/5s returning to southern. That’s just speculation

 

[brad465]

Apparently this is also dependent on the 465/2s being reactivated from their “warm” storage to release the /9s to cover Mainline routes again that would have otherwise been covered by a 375 or 377.

Most if not all 465/2s are in cold storage at Ely, unless that's what you meant with the inverted commas. We're approaching the year mark of how long they've been out of action, although the amount of time in cold storage is a bit less than that, but even without that they went to storage for being the one's in poorest condition.

 

[03_179]

Well there’s nothing official on the 377/5s returning to southern. That’s just speculation

Not speculation.
It's being delayed that's all

 

[Goldfish62]

Not speculation.
It's being delayed that's all

And completely sensible it is too. Why send trains to an operator that doesn't need them when the donor operator is in a critical situation with rolling stock shortages?

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

And completely sensible it is too. Why send trains to an operator that doesn't need them when the donor operator is in a critical situation with rolling stock shortages?

There critical situation has been self inflicted due to there uber confidence that the 701 introduction is always just round the corner.

 

[Goldfish62]

There critical situation has been self inflicted due to there uber confidence that the 701 introduction is always just round the corner.

That doesn't mean SWR should be deliberately left short of rolling stock. The only people that would suffer would be the passengers.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

That doesn't mean SWR should be deliberately left short of rolling stock. The only people that would suffer would be the passengers.

Agree that priority has to be to look after passengers and as i mentioned previously there are many second order impacts from the ongoing 701 debacle.

 

[spark001uk]

And completely sensible it is too. Why send trains to an operator that doesn't need them when the donor operator is in a critical situation with rolling stock shortages?

They must be getting short if they're offing all their 455's? Didn't think they had that many 377s over to cover?

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

They must be getting short if they're offing all their 455's? Didn't think they had that many 377s over to cover?

They've just culled the services and shorted formations on the ones that are left to match what capacity they now have ex the 455's.

 

[Class455]

They must be getting short if they're offing all their 455's? Didn't think they had that many 377s over to cover?

Which they are as there's plenty of complaints about overcrowding, and I've also noticed passenger numbers are increasing on Southern metro routes....

 

[spark001uk]

Which they are as there's plenty of complaints about overcrowding, and I've also noticed passenger numbers are increasing on Southern metro routes....

Tell me about it, I was on a travelcard only the other day and all the SN I went on were sardined compared to usual.!

 

[MotCO]

Is there an expected date for the introduction of the 701's, or is that on a separate thread? (I've looked but couldn't find a current one.)

 

[DelW]

Is there an expected date for the introduction of the 701's, or is that on a separate thread? (I've looked but couldn't find a current one.)

The 701 discussion is here:

Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates

And before SWT he was responsible for Desiro UK at Siemens. Is it coincidence that the Desiro and Aventra feature the flat roof profile? Mr Roth was also ex-Siemens, of course, and closely involved in all of the new Desiro orders that SWT placed... But what were DfT's issues with the 707s...

www.railforums.co.uk

Many expected dates have come and gone, but it seems a safe bet that no-one really knows how long it will take to resolve the remaining problems, especially with the software.

 

[74A]

Just been past Wimbledon depot and there was a South Eastern liveried 707 in the depot. Was a bit surprised. Does anyone know if that a unit leaving SWT or coming back ? Didn't get the number unfortunately

 

[gabrielhj07]

Just been past Wimbledon depot and there was a South Eastern liveried 707 in the depot. Was a bit surprised. Does anyone know if that a unit leaving SWT or coming back ? Didn't get the number unfortunately

I believe they tend to go to Wimbledon for maintenance. Not coming back to SWR though.

 

[WarrenTManager]

They only come back to the Park for attention on the wheel lathe as the current lathe at Slade Green does not do clamping down of inside bearing axles which the SF7000 bogie has as part of its design. 707029 came on Friday. Should depart midday Monday as 5Z50.

 

[brad465]

I believe they tend to go to Wimbledon for maintenance. Not coming back to SWR though.

Would this continue until a Southeastern depot has gained the knowledge/experience to do the maintenance being done at Wimbledon (i.e. are SE maintenance staff being trained on 707s)?

 

[WarrenTManager]

Would this continue until a Southeastern depot has gained the knowledge/experience to do the maintenance being done at Wimbledon (i.e. are SE maintenance staff being trained on 707s)?

It's not the staff, their staff are good guys. It's the wheel lathe itself. Just can't be done with the style of bogie.

 

[spark001uk]

It's not the staff, their staff are good guys. It's the wheel lathe itself. Just can't be done with the style of bogie.

Do you see the lathe getting moved to SG? Or will it be required for the 701s?

 

[WarrenTManager]

Do you see the lathe getting moved to SG? Or will it be required for the 701s?

One of them did threaten to turn up in a lorry

The 701 has the same style inside frame bogie. Bombardier FLEX B5000

 

[Goldfish62]

Just as I think the last 707s have run to Reading 707020 and 021 were on Ascot to Reading shuttles this evening for Royal Ascot.

 

[spark001uk]

Just as I think the last 707s have run to Reading 707020 and 021 were on Ascot to Reading shuttles this evening for Royal Ascot.

Yes they've robbed various stock for Ascot, resulting in some service reductions too, eg. some of the Weybridge via Staines down to hourly.
Once upon a time they'd just get out some spare stock and spare crew for events like that. Not got that luxury now.

 

[Goldfish62]

Yes they've robbed various stock for Ascot, resulting in some service reductions too, eg. some of the Weybridge via Staines down to hourly.
Once upon a time they'd just get out some spare stock and spare crew for events like that. Not got that luxury now.

Just as well. I've never seen queues like it at Ascot Station on what is normally the relatively quiet Wednesday. Obviously due to this being the first full event since 2019.

 

[MotCO]

Yes they've robbed various stock for Ascot, resulting in some service reductions too, eg. some of the Weybridge via Staines down to hourly.
Once upon a time they'd just get out some spare stock and spare crew for events like that. Not got that luxury now.

Haven't they got a load of 701s sitting around?

I'll get my coat.....

 

[spark001uk]

Haven't they got a load of 701s sitting around?

I'll get my coat.....

Best I don't bring up the loco hauled 442 gag again then.....

 

[ert47]

Best I don't bring up the loco hauled 442 gag again then.....

Getting them to pull the 701s now?