greatvoyager
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I just hope they get the layout right.I guess they will dedicate either 3 windows or 4 windows on the composite coach to 1st class, but that is purely guess work.
I just hope they get the layout right.I guess they will dedicate either 3 windows or 4 windows on the composite coach to 1st class, but that is purely guess work.
Considering how much the DFT likes to give minor design changes completely new and wild classifications, I find it hard to believe they'll be 800s:Railway Herald reports that EMR have confirmed the sets will be Class 800s.
Do the current Class 800s have shorter coaches?
I would have thought a new nose profile and shorter coaches would warrant a new classification.
Perhaps it's been reported wrong, or EMR have backtracked on the nose design change.
Different coach length warrants a new class, even in the days of BR MUs with different carriage lengths would never be numbered together.Considering how much the DFT likes to give minor design changes completely new and wild classifications, I find it hard to believe they'll be 800s:
- New front design
- Maybe the (ugly) new designs that AWC are getting
- Shorter coaches
- More engines/more powerful engines
My bolding above - well they aren't nicknamed DaFt for nothing...Reported as "according to an EMR spokesman". I would be amazed if they were 800s, after all the 802s and 800s are near enough identical from a physical point of view yet have different numbers, so for a shorter train with a reported completely different formation to get lumped as an 800 would be crazy.
East Midlands Railway has confirmed that its new bi-mode trains from Hitachi will be designated Class 800.
Rumours suggesting that the fleet would receive a previously unused class identity, potentially Class 804, because of their shorter 24-metre vehicles, are inaccurate according to an EMR spokesman. The fleet is due to enter service from 2022.
The while the current HST fleet will be updated, using powercars and coaching stock made redundant by LNER, the Mk3s will only last until December this year. From the December timetable change, the introduction of the Class 360s on St Pancras to Corby workings, along with the start of Class 180 operations from the same date, will allow EMR to remove the nine HST sets from service.
Agreed, 802s have only a few changes to 800s, yet are a different class. The EMR version is even more of a radical change, so surely needs a different classification.Reported as "according to an EMR spokesman". I would be amazed if they were 800s, after all the 802s and 800s are near enough identical from a physical point of view yet have different numbers, so for a shorter train with a reported completely different formation to get lumped as an 800 would be crazy.
That was my understanding too.More to the point, the 800 is primarily to designate the DfT-specified trains. If they do reuse an existing class number (which they shouldn't, but then TOPS classes defy all logic) then it ought to be 802.
Cue comments about unleavened chair cushions...By sheer coincidence the word azuma also has a meaning in Greek; it's the neuter plural of the adjective "azumos", meaning unfermented or unleavened (from a-zume, without yeast). In the neuter plural it's used by Mark 14, 1, to mean the Days of Unleavened Bread before the Passover (20-26 April last year).
even more OT - 398s/399s...OT but the decision to classify the Class 397s under the 39x range was strange in itself...
I would say it makes sense, its a high speed intercity style emu, like the 390 and 395 which are in the 39x range. Although 399 is an odd choice.OT but the decision to classify the Class 397s under the 39x range was strange in itself...
The reason people are saying that it doesn’t seem to make sense is because the changed railway group standard had already been published before the CAF trains for TPE were ordered, and it clearly places such stock, ie any 125 mph fixed formation trains, whether EMU or DMU, in the 800-899 range.I would say it makes sense, its a high speed intercity style emu, like the 390 and 395 which are in the 39x range. Although 399 is an odd choice.
ahh, makes senseThe reason people are saying that it doesn’t seem to make sense is because the changed railway group standard had already been published before the CAF trains for TPE were ordered, and it clearly places such stock, ie any 125 mph fixed formation trains, whether EMU or DMU, in the 800-899 range.
However it isn't always taken notice of, like the 331s and 345s (should be 7xx) and the 195s (should be 6xx).The reason people are saying that it doesn’t seem to make sense is because the changed railway group standard had already been published before the CAF trains for TPE were ordered, and it clearly places such stock, ie any 125 mph fixed formation trains, whether EMU or DMU, in the 800-899 range.
I disagree. The standard doesn’t actually prevent use of spare 3xx or 4xx class numbers. But we’re going off-topic now...However it isn't always taken notice of, like the 331s and 345s (should be 7xx) and the 195s (should be 6xx).
What is that sticking out next to the light - is that a lamp iron?!
Not sure if this image has been released earlier, but it shows what looks to be a couple of changes versus previously released imagery.
These include a silver and not golden cone, the decals on the side are also different compared to their previous imagery, the top light is more horizontal than circular and the door is more flush, the cone is more pointed and this picture now shows digital cut-outs for carriage screens.
Source: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/east...ent-open-evening-tickets-90617478317?ref=estw