Convicted of fare evasion: please help

[mariamartin]

hi looking for some help ...
....is a conviction for traveling without a ticket classed as" moral turpitude" in regard to traveling to America for a holiday ? and estas and or Visas.
thank you

 

[Timster83]

The US Embassy would probably be best placed to advise you conclusively, however the Wiki entry for moral turpitude suggests that the following are examples of moral turpitude.

Fraud:
Making false representation
Knowledge of such false representation by the perpetrator
Reliance on the false representation by the person defrauded
An intent to defraud
The actual act of committing fraud

So a conviction (as opposed to a PF) may well be seen as being a crime of moral turpitude.

 

[AlterEgo]

Don't declare your conviction to the Americans. They've no access to the UK Police National Computer. Serious and dangerous offenders (terrorists, sex offenders, murderers etc) appear on a special list - minor convictions will not register with them.

Assuming that's the worst thing you've been convicted of, just arrive and get your passport stamped.

The Americans have a frankly ludicrous entry policy; they won't know about your conviction so don't do them a favour by telling them.

 

[paddington]

Don't declare your conviction to the Americans. They've no access to the UK Police National Computer. Serious and dangerous offenders (terrorists, sex offenders, murderers etc) appear on a special list - minor convictions will not register with them.

Assuming that's the worst thing you've been convicted of, just arrive and get your passport stamped.

The Americans have a frankly ludicrous entry policy; they won't know about your conviction so don't do them a favour by telling them.

... as long as you only ever want to go to the US for leisure purposes. If you ever need to apply for another US visa which requires a police check, they will see that you lied and you will be banned from the US and possibly some other countries.

 

[Deerfold]

... as long as you only ever want to go to the US for leisure purposes. If you ever need to apply for another US visa which requires a police check, they will see that you lied and you will be banned from the US and possibly some other countries.

That depends very much which section of the law or byelaws is used for prosecution. We'd need more information from the OP to be surer.

 

[Signal Head]

Don't declare your conviction to the Americans. They've no access to the UK Police National Computer.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, they seem to have been given, or have otherwise 'obtained', access to plenty of other stuff.

 

[AlterEgo]

Don't declare your conviction to the Americans. They've no access to the UK Police National Computer.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, they seem to have been given, or have otherwise 'obtained', access to plenty of other stuff.

People with criminal records regularly enter the US - on a daily basis. I've a few friends who have records, one as long as your arm.

It's a bit of a scam to make you pay for a visa interview. Nonsense.

 

[Sidious]

I would be inclined to make no comment. As it has been said, they have absolutely no way of knowing unless you disclose it to them.

 

[45002]

hi looking for some help ...
....is a conviction for traveling without a ticket classed as" moral turpitude" in regard to traveling to America for a holiday ? and estas and or Visas.
thank you

Interesting,just been reading about some else worried about moral turpitude on another forum !

 

[petergriffin12]

How can you just not declare it when you have to fill out the online visa waiver form?

 

[paddington]

How can you just not declare it when you have to fill out the online visa waiver form?

Uhh, when it asks you

B) Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offense or crime involving moral turpitude or a violation related to a controlled substance; or have been arrested or convicted for two or more offenses for which the aggregate sentence to confinement was five years or more; or have been a controlled substance trafficker; or are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities? *

you select "No"?

 

[zoneking]

You can make a personal data access request to the police. It only costs £10.

 

[petergriffin12]

What and then you are telling me it will just get approved?

 

[snail]

you select "No"?

The alternative version of that question is "If you have been arrested or convicted of a crime in another country, would you like to create an offense under United States law? Answer No if you really mean Yes."

I agree it is all a bit over the top and you would probably have no issues at a visa interview. It's a bit like the "Have you ever been involved in espionage?" question. Answer No and they assume you are lying...

 

[Jonny]

"Moral turpitude" being an extremely vague term... If they were to split it into two questions - one re: convictions and the second re: moral turpitude then fair enough; but the defence to 'lying' is that it is a misleading question.

 

[AlterEgo]

What and then you are telling me it will just get approved?

As previously stated, the US government doesn't have access to the Police National Computer.

Say "no".

The visa interviews are a nice way for them to make money and find out about what you've been up to. Tell them nothing.

I have friends with criminal records who travel regularly to the USA with no problems.