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From the English edition of Diario Sur

This is the latest proposal to extend the infrequent and overcrowded Malaga Cercanias service further down the Costa Del Sol. i am not hopeful that this would ever happen as it would cause years of disruption to the motorway which is already overcrowded, Still you never know.....

Proposal for train track on stilts along A-7 motorway on Costa del Sol sparks interest​

A Malaga-based public transport consultant has suggested an elevated railway as a solution to finally getting a Cercanías service to Marbella​

Ignacio Lillo
Malaga
Friday, 27 October 2023, 14:42

An innovative plan to run a new train line to Marbella on stilts along the middle of the A-7 coastal motorway has received interest from local authorities, according to the public transport consultant who proposed the idea.
Sanvicens, originally from Catalonia, has been in Malaga for 20 years.
Sanvicens, originally from Catalonia, has been in Malaga for 20 years. SUR
Putting the line on a viaduct over the road, rather than more expensive tunnelling or compulsory land purchase, could now be considered as a possible solution to the decades-old call for rail services the length of the Costa del Sol.

Lluis Sanvicens is a Malaga-based expert in urban transit networks. An engineer by trade with a Master's in Transportation Sciences and more than 24 years of professional experience, he has held various positions in companies such as Alstom, Ardanuy and Málaga Metro, working on both the construction and operations.
"Married to a Malaga woman and father to a little Malaga fella," this 49-year-old, who is originally from Catalonia, defines his professional life as "wanting to help the world walk, pedal or take public transport".

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It is the coming together of these two aspects - his professional and personal connection with the province and his desire to deliver ideas for more sustainable transport - that has led to his plan entitled A Study of the Costa del Sol Metro: a proposal to give structure to the area.
"I came here almost 20 years ago and there was already talk about this idea, and over all those years in Malaga I keep hearing that it is very difficult to do and very expensive,".....
"So I told myself that I would give it some thought, to see what could be done and to make it feasible, maintaining the current service, making improvements and looking at how to take the line to Marbella."
On one hand, he admits he was driven by the desire to "give back to Malaga" a little of what this part of the world has given him: "A wife, a child and a job". On the other, the desire to be able to demonstrate his skills to potential clients. The whole concept has been laid out in a technical document that the specialist has made freely available to the relevant authorities.
The consultant has studied each stretch of the current Costa del Sol's local train line plus what remains to be built. Currently trains run at 20-minute intervals, limited by several single track sections. "There are ways to improve," was his conclusion.
To begin with, he focused on the single-track sections [that slow down the service] that could easily be laid out into two tracks.
His conclusion was that leaving the entire existing route with only 4km of single track is achievable
Therefore, the first priority for now is to carry out this improvement to the infrastructure of the existing metro-style Cercanías line that already connects Malaga via Benalmádena to Fuengirola.

A line on stilts to Marbella​

Based on those observations, the consultant recommends extending the existing Cercanías local train line from Fuengirola to Marbella, rather than going for a separate high-speed service to Marbella leaving Malaga.
"A means of transport that connects the entire Costa del Sol and takes the traffic load off the N-340 [A-7] as people realise they are properly supported by a train service." In his opinion, it is feasible to have trains running every 10 minutes linking up the entire western coast.
Extending the Cercanías route beyond Fuengirola has been examined in previous studies. However, this engineer's more innovative idea is to extend it over a large, raised viaduct built up from the central reservation of the A-7 [old N-340] to Marbella so it would not interfere with road traffic. The new route would start from a tunnel crossing under Fuengirola, then a long viaduct and again an underground entrance into the centre of Marbella. It could even be built in phases, so that the current train service would see the first benefits much sooner.
In total, this project would cover 61 kilometres, with 31 strategically located train stations. In addition to six stops in Malaga city, five in Torremolinos, three in Benalmádena and six in Fuengirola, the line would add four in Mijas and seven in Marbella.
"With this idea we can build a Greater Malaga, as we would have closer links with the other towns, and it is a means of giving structure to the whole area with a proper option for sustainable transport."
Sanvicens has said he has had interest in his idea from the Junta de Andalucía regional government and the local political parties.
He said, "The idea has been very well received by representatives of the Junta, the PP party and PSOE party in Malaga, as the authorities that can do it are the national and regional governments."
Ignacio López Cano, a local PSOE MP told SUR. "The solution of a train on a viaduct has caught my attention as I had never thought about doing it that way."
José Ramón Carmona, secretary-general of the PP party in Malaga province said, "We have been in touch with the author of the plan and we are going to study it with a view to forwarding any proposals to central government."

Raised tracks over 25km​

The proposal of Luis Sanvicens includes constructing 25km of elevated tracks over the A-7 with eight stops
The most impressive part of his proposal has to be the stretch running between Fuengirola and Marbella, where he plans the viaduct rising above the N-340/A7.
"Wherever possible, the track supports will be located within the central reservation of the dual carriageway, while in other areas they will be on the roadside running as a colonnade of arches."
This section would be completed with an elevated train station in Fuengirola, four in the suburban area of Mijas and three on the outskirts of Marbella. In total, this would involve constructing 25km of elevated tracks with eight stops. "This solution exists in other cities, and for many more kilometres."
The scoping project has appraised the following: how many metres of single track that must be converted to double, the proposed underpasses and viaducts, and the remodelling of stations and railway signalling. According to his calculations, the entire project can be done for about 1.7 billion euros, well below the 2.4 billion estimated to date in studies done for the Ministry of Transport.
Last but not least, journey time could even be reduced to 50 minutes from end to end via an express service between Malaga and Marbella with limited stops (airport then one central stop at each municipality).
 
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Hardly infrequent, they already run Malaga Centro-Airport-Torremolinos-Fuengirolia every 20 minutes for most of the day...
You're right right - I expressed muself badly. I meant to say that the frequency needs to be increased as for much of the day the trains are overcrowded. Some of the municipalities along the line are already pressing to see at least a 15 minute frequency but in my expreience, for large parts of the day, a 10 minute frequency is really what is needed
 

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You're right right - I expressed muself badly. I meant to say that the frequency needs to be increased as for much of the day the trains are overcrowded. Some of the municipalities along the line are already pressing to see at least a 15 minute frequency but in my expreience, for large parts of the day, a 10 minute frequency is really what is needed
I am afraid that without a lot more rolling stock a higher frequency would be a victim of its own success... Much better to double train lengths on the current timetable (or slightly better) if it can be managed because as we have seen repeatedly, a step-change improvement in frequency produces a massive increase in ridership, far outstripping train capacity.
 

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I am afraid that without a lot more rolling stock a higher frequency would be a victim of its own success... Much better to double train lengths on the current timetable (or slightly better) if it can be managed because as we have seen repeatedly, a step-change improvement in frequency produces a massive increase in ridership, far outstripping train capacity.

Can the existing platforms take double-length trains?
 

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Can the existing platforms take double-length trains?
Most, if not all of the underground stations couldn't take double length trains and would be expensive to adapt. I should imagine though that the overground stations would be easier to adapt. TheJunta de Andalucia Malaga Province transport plan is talking about slightly extending the Malaga end of the line to Plaza de la Marina which may mean abandoning the current single tracked Centro Alameda station. so that might be a good time to address the platform length issue.
I don't know if double deck trains, which might address the capacity issue, would be possible under the current set up.
There are also talks of either having a spur off the C2 line, or a diversion of the C2 to serve the Andalucian Technology Park which would also mean an increase to that hourly service and this would also create capacity issues on both lines C1 and C2 in central Malaga. Just running the C2 into the main Mario Zambrano mainline station wouldn't now be possible as with the new independent long distance operators, there is now also a problem with capacity into the main station.
Whatever happens, money needs to be spent on an upgrade in whatever form it eventually takes.
 

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Most, if not all of the underground stations couldn't take double length trains and would be expensive to adapt. I should imagine though that the overground stations would be easier to adapt. TheJunta de Andalucia Malaga Province transport plan is talking about slightly extending the Malaga end of the line to Plaza de la Marina which may mean abandoning the current single tracked Centro Alameda station. so that might be a good time to address the platform length issue.
I don't know if double deck trains, which might address the capacity issue, would be possible under the current set up.
There are also talks of either having a spur off the C2 line, or a diversion of the C2 to serve the Andalucian Technology Park which would also mean an increase to that hourly service and this would also create capacity issues on both lines C1 and C2 in central Malaga. Just running the C2 into the main Mario Zambrano mainline station wouldn't now be possible as with the new independent long distance operators, there is now also a problem with capacity into the main station.
Whatever happens, money needs to be spent on an upgrade in whatever form it eventually takes.

Thank you!

The „overcrowding“ of María Zambrano must be down to RENFE/ADIF inefficiency though. I count 7 AVE/Avlo/Avant/MD departures on a weekday in the 16:00 to 19:00 timeframe. Even adding one private train an hour, that should be easy in an 8-platform station, with capacity for Cercanías to spare.
 

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Thank you!

The „overcrowding“ of María Zambrano must be down to RENFE/ADIF inefficiency though. I count 7 AVE/Avlo/Avant/MD departures on a weekday in the 16:00 to 19:00 timeframe. Even adding one private train an hour, that should be easy in an 8-platform station, with capacity for Cercanías to spare.
Some platforms are for standard gauge and others are Iberian gauge. Any Cercanias trains would need to use the latter.
 

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Thank you!

The „overcrowding“ of María Zambrano must be down to RENFE/ADIF inefficiency though. I count 7 AVE/Avlo/Avant/MD departures on a weekday in the 16:00 to 19:00 timeframe. Even adding one private train an hour, that should be easy in an 8-platform station, with capacity for Cercanías to spare.
I can't understand the Maria Zambrano station overcrowding either, but that's what they reckon

Some platforms are for standard gauge and others are Iberian gauge. Any Cercanias trains would need to use the latter.
Good point - I hadn't taken that into account
 

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Some platforms are for standard gauge and others are Iberian gauge. Any Cercanias trains would need to use the latter.

True. But hardly any Iberian-gauge mainline passenger trains run anymore, as far as I can reckon it is limited to a few Malaga - Sevilla MD trains (6 returns per day?) - on three platforms tracks.

I can't understand the Maria Zambrano station overcrowding either, but that's what they reckon

The Spanish always reckon they need enormous infrastructure for very few trains. Just spent a week there and was amazed (again) how inefficient everything is (and no, I don’t see Spain as inefficient in general, quite to the contrary - it really is the railway system).

Having looked at timetables and infrastructure, it seems to me that a 15-minute-interval should be feasible without additional investment, provided the (very infrequent) line C2 uses María Zambrano to turn, and not Centro Alameda. A 10-minute frequency would involve investment, even though a line with a constant, ever identical all-stops timetable with standard rolling stock would surely not need continuous doubling.
 
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True. But hardly any Iberian-gauge mainline passenger trains run anymore, as far as I can reckon it is limited to a few Malaga - Sevilla MD trains (6 returns per day?) - on three platforms tracks.



The Spanish always reckon they need enormous infrastructure for very few trains. Just spent a week there and was amazed (again) how inefficient everything is (and no, I don’t see Spain as inefficient in general, quite to the contrary - it really is the railway system).

Having looked at timetables and infrastructure, it seems to me that a 15-minute-interval should be feasible without additional investment, provided the (very infrequent) line C2 uses María Zambrano to turn, and not Centro Alameda. A 10-minute frequency would involve investment, even though a line with a constant, ever identical all-stops timetable with standard rolling stock would surely not need continuous doubling.
This was also my thought. The only issue here would be whether the line C2 would still be able to serve the underground Victoria Kent station if, with the current track layout, it terminated in the mainline Maria Zambrano station. This wouldn't really be a problem as there wouldn't be many tourists heading to the airport or heading down to the resorts on the Costa del Sol who caught the wrong line as the only line serving the centre would be the C1 (you might be surprised at how often this currently happens as the the train destination boards are often not illuminated until the train is about to leave Centro Alameda station). Currently passengers are reminded of the trains' final destination in 2 languages just before arrival at Victoria Kent station and to change trains at Victoria Kent if they're on the wrong train. However, this may become a disadvantage if and when the Cercanias starts to serve the Andalusia technology park as those passengers require a fast service to the airport and not being to change at Victoria Kent would mean a messy split level change at Maria Zambrano. There are also moves to take the Malaga Metro to the Andalucia Technology park but a connection to the Cercanias is desirable as about 60% of the projected workforce there will not live in Malaga but further down the Costa del Sol
 

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This was also my thought. The only issue here would be whether the line C2 would still be able to serve the underground Victoria Kent station if, with the current track layout, it terminated in the mainline Maria Zambrano station. This wouldn't really be a problem as there wouldn't be many tourists heading to the airport or heading down to the resorts on the Costa del Sol who caught the wrong line as the only line serving the centre would be the C1 (you might be surprised at how often this currently happens as the the train destination boards are often not illuminated until the train is about to leave Centro Alameda station). Currently passengers are reminded of the trains' final destination in 2 languages just before arrival at Victoria Kent station and to change trains at Victoria Kent if they're on the wrong train. However, this may become a disadvantage if and when the Cercanias starts to serve the Andalusia technology park as those passengers require a fast service to the airport and not being to change at Victoria Kent would mean a messy split level change at Maria Zambrano. There are also moves to take the Malaga Metro to the Andalucia Technology park but a connection to the Cercanias is desirable as about 60% of the projected workforce there will not live in Malaga but further down the Costa del Sol

If Openstreetmap is correct, all trains could still serve Victoria Kent, as the two broad-gauge lines (from Bobadilla and Fuengirola) join before it and the tracks to the surface platforms at María Zambrano leave just before the M.Z. station throat.
 

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If Openstreetmap is correct, all trains could still serve Victoria Kent, as the two broad-gauge lines (from Bobadilla and Fuengirola) join before it and the tracks to the surface platforms at María Zambrano leave just before the M.Z. station throat.
I had a quick look at the map and as you say it is possible. I notice with sadness that the spur to th port is shown. It is a pity that this all now overgrown and not used. There are plans to reinvigorate possibly via a tunnel but as always with Spain, if it happens, it will be at some indeterminate time in the future

There is a track diagram for Maria Zambrano on Wiki which confirms that the Iberian platforms at the main station are only accessed via the Cercanias lines.
Thanks. It's an interesting map. I will bookmark that for future reference
 

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Having looked at timetables and infrastructure, it seems to me that a 15-minute-interval should be feasible without additional investment, provided the (very infrequent) line C2 uses María Zambrano to turn, and not Centro Alameda. A 10-minute frequency would involve investment, even though a line with a constant, ever identical all-stops timetable with standard rolling stock would surely not need continuous doubling.

I've written about this elsewhere, but I think it would be possible to get to 15 minutes as long as the Airport-Torremolinos section was upgraded to double track, as well as some more sections of double track where it can be done relatively easily.

His conclusion was that leaving the entire existing route with only 4km of single track is achievable

Yes, absolutely. I think it's also worth considering whether or not the Fuengirola elevated section can be taken down to street level and double tracked, as the road that it parallels/runs above isn't particularly busy and could be converted to a single lane in each direction, especially with the 30km/h limit. It would also have the benefit of removing the viaduct, which is a pretty nasty scar through the centre of Los Boliches.

But there are certainly still plenty of stretches where double track could be created with minimal effort. The problem may lie at the Fuengirola end with 15 minute intervals, but perhaps it would be possible.

The scoping project has appraised the following: how many metres of single track that must be converted to double, the proposed underpasses and viaducts, and the remodelling of stations and railway signalling. According to his calculations, the entire project can be done for about 1.7 billion euros, well below the 2.4 billion estimated to date in studies done for the Ministry of Transport.

1.7 billion euro seems to be on the low side for such an enormous project. The disruption to the A-7 would be immense, and I do wonder where he intends to put the supports given that large parts of the A-7 have nothing more than a concrete barrier dividing the carriageways.

Last but not least, journey time could even be reduced to 50 minutes from end to end via an express service between Malaga and Marbella with limited stops (airport then one central stop at each municipality).

I really don't think there's a need for such an express service. The frequency is the issue, not the speed from end to end. Those who want an express service will take buses that use the AP-7, or they'll simply drive on the motorway.

I had a quick look at the map and as you say it is possible. I notice with sadness that the spur to th port is shown. It is a pity that this all now overgrown and not used. There are plans to reinvigorate possibly via a tunnel but as always with Spain, if it happens, it will be at some indeterminate time in the future

The spur to the port really would have made an excellent terminal station for the C-1 line. It would allow people to transit from the airport to the port, while also providing access to the city centre for those living along the C-1 line. Like much of the infrastructure in Malaga, it seems to be a victim of a lack of thinking and long term planning.
 

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Dear fellow forum members,

I am Lluis Sanvicens, the author of the study titled "The Costa del Sol Metro Project: Structuring the Territory." I recently came across this discussion, and I want to provide the whole information, you can visit the LinkedIn post where I originally published the study by following this link:


If you have any additional question, please don't hesitate to reach out to me.

Thank you for your interest.

From the English edition of Diario Sur

This is the latest proposal to extend the infrequent and overcrowded Malaga Cercanias service further down the Costa Del Sol. i am not hopeful that this would ever happen as it would cause years of disruption to the motorway which is already overcrowded, Still you never know.....

Proposal for train track on stilts along A-7 motorway on Costa del Sol sparks interest​

A Malaga-based public transport consultant has suggested an elevated railway as a solution to finally getting a Cercanías service to Marbella​

Ignacio Lillo
Malaga
Friday, 27 October 2023, 14:42

An innovative plan to run a new train line to Marbella on stilts along the middle of the A-7 coastal motorway has received interest from local authorities, according to the public transport consultant who proposed the idea.
Sanvicens, originally from Catalonia, has been in Malaga for 20 years.
Sanvicens, originally from Catalonia, has been in Malaga for 20 years. SUR
Putting the line on a viaduct over the road, rather than more expensive tunnelling or compulsory land purchase, could now be considered as a possible solution to the decades-old call for rail services the length of the Costa del Sol.

Lluis Sanvicens is a Malaga-based expert in urban transit networks. An engineer by trade with a Master's in Transportation Sciences and more than 24 years of professional experience, he has held various positions in companies such as Alstom, Ardanuy and Málaga Metro, working on both the construction and operations.
"Married to a Malaga woman and father to a little Malaga fella," this 49-year-old, who is originally from Catalonia, defines his professional life as "wanting to help the world walk, pedal or take public transport".

.

It is the coming together of these two aspects - his professional and personal connection with the province and his desire to deliver ideas for more sustainable transport - that has led to his plan entitled A Study of the Costa del Sol Metro: a proposal to give structure to the area.
"I came here almost 20 years ago and there was already talk about this idea, and over all those years in Malaga I keep hearing that it is very difficult to do and very expensive,".....
"So I told myself that I would give it some thought, to see what could be done and to make it feasible, maintaining the current service, making improvements and looking at how to take the line to Marbella."
On one hand, he admits he was driven by the desire to "give back to Malaga" a little of what this part of the world has given him: "A wife, a child and a job". On the other, the desire to be able to demonstrate his skills to potential clients. The whole concept has been laid out in a technical document that the specialist has made freely available to the relevant authorities.
The consultant has studied each stretch of the current Costa del Sol's local train line plus what remains to be built. Currently trains run at 20-minute intervals, limited by several single track sections. "There are ways to improve," was his conclusion.
To begin with, he focused on the single-track sections [that slow down the service] that could easily be laid out into two tracks.
His conclusion was that leaving the entire existing route with only 4km of single track is achievable
Therefore, the first priority for now is to carry out this improvement to the infrastructure of the existing metro-style Cercanías line that already connects Malaga via Benalmádena to Fuengirola.

A line on stilts to Marbella​

Based on those observations, the consultant recommends extending the existing Cercanías local train line from Fuengirola to Marbella, rather than going for a separate high-speed service to Marbella leaving Malaga.
"A means of transport that connects the entire Costa del Sol and takes the traffic load off the N-340 [A-7] as people realise they are properly supported by a train service." In his opinion, it is feasible to have trains running every 10 minutes linking up the entire western coast.
Extending the Cercanías route beyond Fuengirola has been examined in previous studies. However, this engineer's more innovative idea is to extend it over a large, raised viaduct built up from the central reservation of the A-7 [old N-340] to Marbella so it would not interfere with road traffic. The new route would start from a tunnel crossing under Fuengirola, then a long viaduct and again an underground entrance into the centre of Marbella. It could even be built in phases, so that the current train service would see the first benefits much sooner.
In total, this project would cover 61 kilometres, with 31 strategically located train stations. In addition to six stops in Malaga city, five in Torremolinos, three in Benalmádena and six in Fuengirola, the line would add four in Mijas and seven in Marbella.
"With this idea we can build a Greater Malaga, as we would have closer links with the other towns, and it is a means of giving structure to the whole area with a proper option for sustainable transport."
Sanvicens has said he has had interest in his idea from the Junta de Andalucía regional government and the local political parties.
He said, "The idea has been very well received by representatives of the Junta, the PP party and PSOE party in Malaga, as the authorities that can do it are the national and regional governments."
Ignacio López Cano, a local PSOE MP told SUR. "The solution of a train on a viaduct has caught my attention as I had never thought about doing it that way."
José Ramón Carmona, secretary-general of the PP party in Malaga province said, "We have been in touch with the author of the plan and we are going to study it with a view to forwarding any proposals to central government."

Raised tracks over 25km​

The proposal of Luis Sanvicens includes constructing 25km of elevated tracks over the A-7 with eight stops
The most impressive part of his proposal has to be the stretch running between Fuengirola and Marbella, where he plans the viaduct rising above the N-340/A7.
"Wherever possible, the track supports will be located within the central reservation of the dual carriageway, while in other areas they will be on the roadside running as a colonnade of arches."
This section would be completed with an elevated train station in Fuengirola, four in the suburban area of Mijas and three on the outskirts of Marbella. In total, this would involve constructing 25km of elevated tracks with eight stops. "This solution exists in other cities, and for many more kilometres."
The scoping project has appraised the following: how many metres of single track that must be converted to double, the proposed underpasses and viaducts, and the remodelling of stations and railway signalling. According to his calculations, the entire project can be done for about 1.7 billion euros, well below the 2.4 billion estimated to date in studies done for the Ministry of Transport.
Last but not least, journey time could even be reduced to 50 minutes from end to end via an express service between Malaga and Marbella with limited stops (airport then one central stop at each municipality).
 

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Dear fellow forum members,

I am Lluis Sanvicens, the author of the study titled "The Costa del Sol Metro Project: Structuring the Territory." I recently came across this discussion, and I want to provide the whole information, you can visit the LinkedIn post where I originally published the study by following this link:


If you have any additional question, please don't hesitate to reach out to me.

Thank you for your interest.
Thank you Lluis. I will read this thoroughly. I wish you all the best and luck with your proposal and really hope that this happens. We all need it.
Have you also considered extending the Cercanias eastwards towards Nerja etc and even northwards towards Axarquia?
 
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Thank you Lluis. I will read this thoroughly. I wish you all the best and luck with your proposal and really hope that this happens. We all need it.
Have you also considered extending the Cercanias eastwards towards Nerja etc and even northwards towards Axarquia?
Hello, thank you very much for your good wishes. Regarding your question, this is another interesting job to do. My opinion is to do things step by step. First step was to demonstrate that The Malaga-Marbella corridor is feasible.

For the Málaga-Axarquia-Nerja corridor, it's worth noting that groundwork has been laid in the past. The Junta de Andalucia conducted a comprehensive study in 2004, titled 'ESTUDIO INFORMATIVO DEL CORREDOR FERROVIARIO DE LA COSTA DEL SOL. TRAMO: NERJA-MÁLAGA.' While the study provides a solid foundation, some updates and refinements may be needed to ensure it aligns with current needs and developments. So, the foundation is there ...
 
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