Could EMR use something as a stop gap until the class 810s are introduced?

[QSK19]

It’s a little difficult to see what can really be done on the IC side in terms of a stop gap.

Wasn’t this addressed to an extent by the 180s (despite their reputation)? The fact they weren’t kept on means that nothing will get done on the IC side in terms of stop-gap - keeping the 180s would have been the easy solution seeing as they had no home to go to post-EMR. And (presumably) they could have been leased at a peppercorn rate too.

Any spare Avanti 221s not going to XC would be the only other possibility once the 805s come into service.

 

[Trainman40083]

Wasn’t this addressed to an extent by the 180s (despite their reputation)? The fact they weren’t kept on means that nothing will get done on the IC side in terms of stop-gap - keeping the 180s would have been the easy solution seeing as they had no home to go to post-EMR. And (presumably) they could have been leased at a peppercorn rate too.

Any spare Avanti 221s not going to XC would be the only other possibility once the 805s come into service.

Well Grand Central took several of the EMR 180s on. Will be interesting to see how many Avanti 221s go to XC (heard, 5, 7 amd 12), when released. Of course some will cover those going through refurbishment....

 

[Kite159]

Well Grand Central took several of the EMR 180s on. Will be interesting to see how many Avanti 221s go to XC (heard, 5, 7 amd 12), when released. Of course some will cover those going through refurbishment....

Wasn't it only 180110 which transferred to Grand Central when released, the remaining 3 examples are likely in cold storage at Ely?

 

[Trainman40083]

Wasn't it only 180110 which transferred to Grand Central when released, the remaining 3 examples are likely in cold storage at Ely?

Possibly. Could imagine they took the best of the coaches. Not the most reliable of units, I understand.

 

[QSK19]

Well Grand Central took several of the EMR 180s on.

Wasn't it only 180110 which transferred to Grand Central when released, the remaining 3 examples are likely in cold storage at Ely?

110 went over to GC, the purpose being, AFAIK, temporary cover for the general 180 situation at GC as opposed to additional stock. Can’t help but think that the DfT should have let EMR keep them.

Anyway, back OT, has anybody seen 810001 running in electric mode? Social media and YouTube seem to show it running only in diesel mode thus far. A couple of photos floating about with its pan up at Old Dalby, but nothing else.

 

[Jozhua]

Just a gentle reminder, this is a rolling stock updates thread regarding Class 810s for EMR.

To discuss anything else, please use (or create) a separate thread; anything that is speculative in nature belongs in Speculative Discussion, please.

Many thanks

I've been guilty of this in the past too, but it would be nice if we could keep this closer to discussion around the introduction of the units, rather than whether or not they are a good idea. Is it worth creating a thread titled 'Class 810 Discussion' in Speculative?

 

[43066]

Wasn’t this addressed to an extent by the 180s (despite their reputation)? The fact they weren’t kept on means that nothing will get done on the IC side in terms of stop-gap - keeping the 180s would have been the easy solution seeing as they had no home to go to post-EMR. And (presumably) they could have been leased at a peppercorn rate too.

Any spare Avanti 221s not going to XC would be the only other possibility once the 805s come into service.

I think the consensus was that the 180s were so utterly appalling in reliability terms that it was better all round to be rid of them.

One particular conversation with a signaller springs to mind, heading south into Leicester in a 222, and being replatformed due to yet another 180 failure: “we’re placing bets in the box on where the next one will sit down”.

They really were utterly shocking.

 

[Energy]

I think the consensus was that the 180s were so utterly appalling in reliability terms that it was better all round to be rid of them.

180s only did a peak Nottingham, right? IIRC they ran as a pair.

 

[43066]

180s only did a peak Nottingham right? IIRC they ran as a pair.

They pretty much interworked with the meridians, I think? I didn’t sign them, but they seemed to get about. Including a comedy moment for me of working the same job two days in a row, and both days being delayed at Pancras, on a Nottingham service, because two 180 sets wouldn’t couple to form the Sheffield working.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

180s only did a peak Nottingham right? IIRC they ran as a pair.

No, there were two all day 5 car Nottingham diagrams which in the evening would pair up and go to Derby.