Cross Country Class 170 2 car --> 3 car upgrades

[The_Train]

Hi all,
I saw a photo on Twitter recently of the first XC 170 to be increased from a 2 car to 3 car unit. The number was 170623 so am I right to assume that this was previously 170523?

Also, does anyone have any info on which carriage has been added to the set please?

Apologies if there is already a discussion of this nature elsewhere (I did a quick search of relevant keywords and found nothing) and if that is the case then if a mod could merge this post into the active thread that would be great

 

[43096]

Hi all,
I saw a photo on Twitter recently of the first XC 170 to be increased from a 2 car to 3 car unit. The number was 170623 so am I right to assume that this was previously 170523?

Also, does anyone have any info on which carriage has been added to the set please?

Apologies if there is already a discussion of this nature elsewhere (I did a quick search of relevant keywords and found nothing) and if that is the case then if a mod could merge this post into the active thread that would be great

56635 has gone into 170623 (former 170523).

56630-634 will go into 170518-522, presumably in numerical order, and be renumbered to sets 170618-622.

 

[Domh245]

This thread was the main one being used to discuss the formations I think, although the title won't have helped trying to find it!

 

[ExRes]

By coincidence there are, currently, schedules in for tomorrow, 0917 Bristol BH WRD to Tyseley LMD and 1513 Tyseley to Bristol

 

[The_Train]

56635 has gone into 170623 (former 170523).

56630-634 will go into 170518-522, presumably in numerical order, and be renumbered to sets 170618-622.

Amazing stuff - thanks very much

This thread was the main one being used to discuss the formations I think, although the title won't have helped trying to find it!

That is quite a lengthy title. Think it covers about 3 different things

By coincidence there are, currently, schedules in for tomorrow, 0917 Bristol BH WRD to Tyseley LMD and 1513 Tyseley to Bristol

What would these moves entail?

 

[Domh245]

That is quite a lengthy title. Think it covers about 3 different things

What would these moves entail?

To be fair, 2 of the 3 are related!

The move from Bristol to Tyseley should be a freshly reformed 3 car unit heading north, with the Tyseley to Bristol move being a 2 car going to replace it to receive it's new third car

 

[43096]

Amazing stuff - thanks very much

That is quite a lengthy title. Think it covers about 3 different things

What would these moves entail?

Set 170520 is down at Bristol, so is presumably coming back as 170620. The Tyseley to Bristol will likely be the next set going down to have the centre car added.

 

[RealTrains07]

Any interior pics of the newly added middle carriage on 623?

 

[Qwerty133]

Given the XC 170 Turbostars are currently running in a mix of 3 and 4 coach formations and anything longer cannot operate on the Stansted (and is highly undesirable on Birmingham-Leicester in the Leicester direction) services is now really the time to be adding these extra coaches in to the 2 car units as this is likely to cause a reduction, rather than increase in capacity on these services.

 

[Chriso]

Three fresh repainted 170 middle cars and a full set (presumably 170620) at Bristol Barton Hill

 

[Ianno87]

Given the XC 170 Turbostars are currently running in a mix of 3 and 4 coach formations and anything longer cannot operate on the Stansted (and is highly undesirable on Birmingham-Leicester in the Leicester direction) services is now really the time to be adding these extra coaches in to the 2 car units as this is likely to cause a reduction, rather than increase in capacity on these services.

Pre-Covid there were hardly any booked 4 cars anyway - one on a Sunday and that was about it.

Reducing a unit from 4 (pair) to 3 (single) cars will free up units to re-instate the Leicester short workings (for example).

 

[chubs]

Pre covid those 2 cars were awful on the Stansted services, although with GA now running much better trains it might help a bit I guess.

 

[The_Train]

To be fair, 2 of the 3 are related!

The move from Bristol to Tyseley should be a freshly reformed 3 car unit heading north, with the Tyseley to Bristol move being a 2 car going to replace it to receive it's new third car

Set 170520 is down at Bristol, so is presumably coming back as 170620. The Tyseley to Bristol will likely be the next set going down to have the centre car added.

Ah, Barton Hill are doing the work - all makes sense now. Thanks both

 

[Spirit555]

170620 has come back to Tyseley today running as 5Z71 Barton Hill to Tyseley. Formed as 50520 + 56632 + 79520

Mark

 

[Qwerty133]

Pre-Covid there were hardly any booked 4 cars anyway - one on a Sunday and that was about it.

Reducing a unit from 4 (pair) to 3 (single) cars will free up units to re-instate the Leicester short workings (for example).

Those services aren't running due to a lack of staff rather than a lack of stock so actually it'd free up a unit to sit on the depot all day. At least in the short term adding the extra coaches into 6 of the 3 car units would have allowed some services to go from 3-4 coaches but this will cause them to go in the other direction.

 

[curly42]

170620 (ex 170520) on the move today -

170620.

170620 (ex 170520,now a 3 car set) at Sheephouse Bridge,Gloucester,running as 5Z71,Bristol Barton Hill to Tyseley - 16.1.21.

www.flickr.com

 

[theblackwatch]

Anyone know if 170620 is back in traffic yet please?

 

[DB]

What are they doing to the interiors of the additional vehicles? Just a new seat covers and carpets type thing?

 

[ExRes]

The still unidentified unit that worked to Bristol last saturday returned to Tyseley today as 0949 5Z71, another unidentified unit replaced it working 1327 5Z70 back to Bristol

 

[Spirit555]

170111 worked 5Z71 today

HTH

Mark

 

[DBS92042]

170111 worked 5Z71 today

HTH

Mark

A photo of it here returning today:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/30410335@N02/50866056347/ (not my photo)

According to Railcam, 170116 was the unit working the 5Z70 to Bristol

 

[ExRes]

Thanks @Spirit555 and @DBS92042, so it's not just for centre car additions that Hanson & Hall are moving the 170s at the moment then, they did say on their facebook in December "the first of many over the next 12 months"

 

[387star]

Three fresh repainted 170 middle cars and a full set (presumably 170620) at Bristol Barton Hill

I saw one xc 170 coach there recently and wondered why it had green rails inside that explains it

 

[Roger B]

The 2021 P5 'Combine' shows all 170530 - 170535 (incl) as 2-car units and 170618 - 170623 (incl) as 3-car units (with 5663x cars inserted) as being in service. It also states (p13) that it is "updated to the start of January 2021". I was surprised to see that all these units were in service in these formations at this time.

Now it may be that P5 has jumped the gun on these somewhat. Either way, I'd be very grateful if someone could provide the dates of entry into service and/or dates each of these units were accepted by their respective operating companies, please - many thanks.

 

[43096]

The 2021 P5 'Combine' shows all 170530 - 170535 (incl) as 2-car units and 170618 - 170623 (incl) as 3-car units (with 5663x cars inserted) as being in service. It also states (p13) that it is "updated to the start of January 2021". I was surprised to see that all these units were in service in these formations at this time.

Now it may be that P5 has jumped the gun on these somewhat. Either way, I'd be very grateful if someone could provide the dates of entry into service and/or dates each of these units were accepted by their respective operating companies, please - many thanks.

Only two units from 170518-523 have received their centre cars so far with (I think) a further unit in progress. Definitely P5 jumping the gun by some considerable margin.

 

[Roger B]

Only two units from 170518-523 have received their centre cars so far with (I think) a further unit in progress. Definitely P5 jumping the gun by some considerable margin.

Many thanks 43096. I suspected that was the case. Can you tell me which they were, and when they entered service. Are any of the new two-cars (530-535) in service - and if so from when? Thank for you help with this.

 

[43096]

Many thanks 43096. I suspected that was the case. Can you tell me which they were, and when they entered service. Are any of the new two-cars (530-535) in service - and if so from when? Thank for you help with this.

170530-535 all re-entered service straight after having their centre cars removed; 170530/531 have subsequently transferred to EMR.
170530 reformed from 170630 23/12/20 (56630 removed)
170531 reformed from 170631 29/01/21 (56631 removed)
170532 reformed from 170632 28/09/20 (56632 removed)
170533 reformed from 170633 30/10/20 (56633 removed)
170534 reformed from 170634 01/12/20 (56634 removed)
170535 reformed from 170635 03/09/20 (56635 removed)

170620 renumbered from 170520 15/01/21 (56632 added)
170623 renumbered from 170523 10/12/20 (56635 added)
I think 170521 is currently at Bristol to have 56633 added.

 

[Roger B]

170530-535 all re-entered service straight after having their centre cars removed; 170530/531 have subsequently transferred to EMR.
170530 reformed from 170630 23/12/20 (56630 removed)
170531 reformed from 170631 29/01/21 (56631 removed)
170532 reformed from 170632 28/09/20 (56632 removed)
170533 reformed from 170633 30/10/20 (56633 removed)
170534 reformed from 170634 01/12/20 (56634 removed)
170535 reformed from 170635 03/09/20 (56635 removed)

170620 renumbered from 170520 15/01/21 (56632 added)
170623 renumbered from 170523 10/12/20 (56635 added)
I think 170521 is currently at Bristol to have 56633 added.

That's just what I was looking for - thanks so much 43096!

 

[Spirit555]

Looks likely 170621 will return tomorrow on this.

Realtime Trains - 5Z71 0949 Bristol Barton Hill W.R.D. to Tyseley L.M.D.

Realtime Trains provides live realtime running information for the Great British railway network using open data.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Mark

 

[greatvoyager]

Looks likely 170621 will return tomorrow on this.

Realtime Trains - 5Z71 0949 Bristol Barton Hill W.R.D. to Tyseley L.M.D.

Realtime Trains provides live realtime running information for the Great British railway network using open data.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Mark

So 3 down, 3 to go...