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The Ham

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And is it really the case that Network Rail don't have any stake, have their bills paid for by TfL, and yet get their logo on the literature?


It's also not uncommon to see key design team members with their logos all over publicity literature at various stages of development in various different types of projects, even though they are only their because they are getting paid to be there by the client.

Good examples include joint documents for larger planning applications which could include logos and references to architects, engineers, planners, client, etc. this can also be the case for the public consultations and literature associated with it.
 
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Regarding the idea of merging Euston and King's Cross St Pancras to become Euston St Pancras, I would think that the name "Somers Town (for London Terminis)" would be a better name.
 

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Regarding the idea of merging Euston and King's Cross St Pancras to become Euston St Pancras, I would think that the name "Somers Town (for London Terminis)" would be a better name.

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Firstly, you have something like a 315-degree turn at Stratford, with CR2 approaching from North-NW and leaving West-NW. That's going to be pretty tough to engineer
The proposed route through Euston St Pancras also takes a sharp turn to/from Tottenham Court Road and Angel.
 

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Regarding the idea of merging Euston and King's Cross St Pancras to become Euston St Pancras
That isn't the proposal. The proposal is for a new station linking with Euston (NR and LU) and St Pancras (NR).

It needs to be called Euston St Pancras to point out it serves both stations. Those are what it's there to serve, not the places in between.
 

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Regarding the idea of merging Euston and King's Cross St Pancras to become Euston St Pancras, I would think that the name "Somers Town (for London Terminis)" would be a better name.
The Crossrail station doesn't aim to merge the Euston Road mainline terminals into one huge station. Rather it exploits the recent trend of subterranean stations having two entrances to be able to serve both from the same platforms. It is likely that some passengers may choose to use the Crossrail 2 infrastructure to transfer on foot between the two terminals, however, especially in the rain, and also plausible that the design may be tweaked to make this more attractive, perhaps incorporating a separate connecting passageway between the entrances parallel to the platform tunnels, maybe even with some form of moving walkway technology for part of the distance, but Euston and St Pancras will nonetheless remain separately identified and managed terminals no matter how easy it becomes to walk quickly between them.
 

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Has having two entrances, at the ends of the platforms, and into markedly different places, been tested in operation anywhere? Superficially it seems a crowd dynamic nightmare.
Commuters might get used to it but are even less polite (And might cause more hassle at boarding as they insist on getting the right end of the train), when the tourists are about it will be chaos (you know they will step onto the platform and immediately stop as they realise they need to make a choice)
 

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The Crossrail station doesn't aim to merge the Euston Road mainline terminals into one huge station. Rather it exploits the recent trend of subterranean stations having two entrances to be able to serve both from the same platforms. It is likely that some passengers may choose to use the Crossrail 2 infrastructure to transfer on foot between the two terminals, however, especially in the rain, and also plausible that the design may be tweaked to make this more attractive, perhaps incorporating a separate connecting passageway between the entrances parallel to the platform tunnels, maybe even with some form of moving walkway technology for part of the distance, but Euston and St Pancras will nonetheless remain separately identified and managed terminals no matter how easy it becomes to walk quickly between them.
Picking up on the Euston Road-linked 'main line' stations, and sorry if it's all been said before (in which case I'm sure I will be corrected, hopefully gently 'advised') ...
My surmise is that more people will 'interchange' when maps show them that way and that represents a physical connection without having to 'go outside' to leave one station to find another, eg Euston to Euston Square, unless and until the traveller develops confidence from familiarity. I would hope that 'the authorities' have data. As a kid I wondered a lot about eg West Hampstead (yes I know ...) without thinking WHY would anyone (or many) change there?
I imagine (hope) that there is also a lot of data re e.g. Northern Line overcrowdings, origin-and-destination studies, development 'potentials' and areas less than well-served at present, human behaviour studies, to name just a few 'considerations'.
Feeling for Michele Dix and her advisors seeking to balance these often conflicting desires and demands, and make progress 'at this difficult time'.
 

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Has having two entrances, at the ends of the platforms, and into markedly different places, been tested in operation anywhere? Superficially it seems a crowd dynamic nightmare.
Commuters might get used to it but are even less polite (And might cause more hassle at boarding as they insist on getting the right end of the train), when the tourists are about it will be chaos (you know they will step onto the platform and immediately stop as they realise they need to make a choice)

Loads.

Seven Sisters Victoria Line (one way for Seven Sisters Road, one way for Tottenham High Road

Blackfriars NR (one way for each bank of the River)

East Croydon (Bus/Tram interchange and Town Centre)

London Bridge Jubilee Line (NR station and Borough High Street)

Etc...


The CR2 station would be massive anyway, with wide platforms and (probably) a Central ciculation area between the platform tunnels
 
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