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Crossrail releases its through running date on Social Media.
November 6th. 2022

Date for Elizabeth line link-up finally revealed



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The first direct Elizabeth line trains between Canary Wharf, the Square Mile and Heathrow airport will start running in November, it was revealed on Tuesday.

This will mean journeys between the capital’s two key business districts and London’s main airport will take just 40 to 50 minutes – and bring the West End within 30 minutes of Heathrow.

The delayed Bond Street station, at the heart of Oxford Street, will open ahead of the second phase of the roll-out of the Elizabeth line, though a precise date has yet to be set.

Transport for London set Sunday November 6 as the date for the next stage of the £20bn line’s opening.

Services from Reading and Heathrow in the west will no longer terminate at Paddington but will run through the new tunnels under central London to Liverpool Street, and vice versa.

Similarly, services from Shenfield and other stations east of London will no longer terminate at Liverpool Street but will continue in tunnels to Paddington.

Services from the line’s south-eastern branch at Abbey Wood will be able to run directly to Heathrow or Reading rather than terminating at Paddington at present.

The November 6 changes will also see the line operate seven days a week. Since its opening on May 24, two-and-a-half years late and £4bn over budget, there has been no regular Sunday service.

A total of 11 million journeys - about 200,000 a day - have been made already on the line, which was built to offer a direct airport link for the business community and to ease congestion on the Central line.

Peak frequencies will increase from 12 to 22 trains an hour in the central section, and 16 trains an hour off-peak.

Heathrow tickets will cost £10.80 off-peak and £11.50 at peak time – up to £7.30 more than the same journey on the Tube but less than half the price of the £25 Heathrow Express service.

TfL said the journey between Heathrow and Farringdon would take 40 minutes during the week and 36 minutes at weekends. Journeys between Heathrow and Canary Wharf will take 51 minutes during the week and 45 at weekends.

The third and final stage of the line’s opening – to allow direct trains to run between Reading or Heathrow and Shenfield – is due to happen next May.

Prior to that, passengers from Shenfield wanting to get to Heathrow are advised to change at Whitechapel, where they can board an airport-bound train on the same platform.

There will be four trains an hour from Abbey Wood to Heathrow. All will stop at Terminal 2 and Terminal 3. Two trains will spilt off to Terminal 4 and two trains will go to Terminal 5.

The new station at Bond Street will relieve congestion at Oxford Circus Tube station. It will have two brand new ticket halls - one at Davies Street, the other at Hanover Square.

Ahead of the changes, the line’s opening hours will be extended from Monday 5 September, with trains starting at 5.30am and running until about 11pm.

TfL commissioner Andy Byford said: “When we delivered on our promise to open the central section of the Elizabeth line in the first half of this year, I further promised that Bond Street station would open this autumn and that the next phase of the line opening would also be achieved within that timeframe.

“This will be another giant leap for London’s public transport system, which supports economic growth in the capital and right across the country.”

Mayor Sadiq Khan said: “This enhanced capacity on the Elizabeth line will play a crucial role in encouraging people to make the most of the capital.”

Heathrow chief commercial officer Ross Baker, said: “This is a huge step in boosting rail connections to the UK’s hub airport directly linking Canary Wharf with Heathrow by rail for the first time.”

Ros Morgan, chief executive of the Heart of London Business Alliance, said: “This improved connectivity and accessibility comes at a time when our members need it the most. World-class transport and infrastructure sends the message loud and clear that as a city, we are open to residents, workers and visitors.”
 

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Not like it will affect passengers from Reading as they will still catch the far faster GWR to Paddington rather than the bogless stopper

Similar to those from Shenfield who will just change at Stratford.

Based on what happens at Upminster when passengers have the option of a direct district line train to say embankment or a faster C2C service to change at either West Ham or even changing from Fenchurch Street to Tower Hill.
 

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Just wanna know when will the new timetable release
rtt is showing an outline of what the service could be from the 6th November

it appears that Westbound:
Off-peak:
[ ] 2tph Reading
[ ] 2tph Maidenhead
[ ] 2tph Heathrow Terminal 5
[ ] 2tph Heathrow Terminal 4
[ ] 8tph Paddington (From Shenfield)

Peak:
[ ] 4tph Reading
[ ] 2tph Heathrow Terminal 5
[ ] 2tph Heathrow Terminal 4
[ ] 2tph Paddington (From Abbey Wood)
[ ] 12tph Paddington (From Shenfield)

With all Heathrow and Reading trains coming from Abbey Wood as expected
 

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rtt is showing an outline of what the service could be from the 6th November

it appears that Westbound:
Off-peak:
[ ] 2tph Reading
[ ] 2tph Maidenhead
[ ] 2tph Heathrow Terminal 5
[ ] 2tph Heathrow Terminal 4
[ ] 8tph Paddington (From Shenfield)

Peak:
[ ] 4tph Reading
[ ] 2tph Heathrow Terminal 5
[ ] 2tph Heathrow Terminal 4
[ ] 2tph Paddington (From Abbey Wood)
[ ] 12tph Paddington (From Shenfield)

With all Heathrow and Reading trains coming from Abbey Wood as expected
So the service is only 8 trains per hour west of Paddington, and west of Paddington the only difference in peak is 2 Maidenhead trains continue to Reading

If some stations get skipped might not even be a train every 7.5 minutes to some stations
 

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rtt is showing an outline of what the service could be from the 6th November

it appears that Westbound:
Off-peak:
[ ] 2tph Reading
[ ] 2tph Maidenhead
[ ] 2tph Heathrow Terminal 5
[ ] 2tph Heathrow Terminal 4
[ ] 8tph Paddington (From Shenfield)

Peak:
[ ] 4tph Reading
[ ] 2tph Heathrow Terminal 5
[ ] 2tph Heathrow Terminal 4
[ ] 2tph Paddington (From Abbey Wood)
[ ] 12tph Paddington (From Shenfield)

With all Heathrow and Reading trains coming from Abbey Wood as expected
In addition to the above, RTT is showing two additional services between Liverpool St High Level and Gidea Park each peak, comprising:

2C59 0743 Gidea Park - London Liverpool Street
2C73 0813 Gidea Park - London Liverpool Street
2C62 1735 London Liverpool Street - Gidea Park
2C76 1804 London Liverpool Street - Gidea Park

The units to form these runs start and finish at Gidea Park sidings. If there were a desire to retain the 315s a little longer, they could be used on one or two of these workings.
 

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Perhaps, but only until the three remaining 7 car 345s are converted to 9 cars.
 

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If some stations get skipped might not even be a train every 7.5 minutes to some stations
Yes. Unfortunately so. With many passengers, who haven't already switched from the Central line and even the usual Piccadilly line commuters from South Ealing to the Elizabeth line at Ealing Broadway expected to switch due to introduction of through running - I wouldn't be surprised to see crush loading and passengers being left behind from
November until May.

Although from May there should be an additional 2tph from Heathrow Terminal 4 taking it to trains every 6 mins.

And in an ideal world the peak 2tph Abbey Wood - Paddington trains would continue to Maidenhead. But due to lack of paths with freight and the GWR Semi-fast debacle I doubt we'll see it - at least in the near future.
 

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So the service is only 8 trains per hour west of Paddington, and west of Paddington the only difference in peak is 2 Maidenhead trains continue to Reading

If some stations get skipped might not even be a train every 7.5 minutes to some stations

It’s as it is off-peak now just with through running. The only exception is additional Maidenhead - Abbey Wood services. The risk of skipping is the same as now albeit impacts might be more widely felt due to the integrated nature of the timetable. With freight and GWR(?) there’s a max of 12 paths anyway.

There’s 8tph eastbound (from Stratford) and 8tph westbound (from Ealing Broadway) for now. It’s as today which is perfectly reasonable. Abbey Wood does get a reduction to today which is a shame but is due to the ongoing auto-reverse sagas.

The current timetable is effectively ready for the next stage and there was never going to be a major change to off-peak away from the central section.
 
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Perhaps, but only until the three remaining 7 car 345s are converted to 9 cars.

Shouldn’t need these if only operating 22tph instead of the full planned 24tph service, as there would be extra spare trains.

So they can be converted anytime before main timetable change in May 2023
 

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Now that I've had a chance to look at RTT and the new service from November, I had been hoping that the last Eiizabeth trains to Twyford would be made a bit later. But I see that the last train from Tottenham court Road to Twyford will be at 22:30.
Which means you will still be having to make the awkward change from one side of Paddington station to the other. And it will be no good trying to get a same platform interchange at Ealing Broadway as most of the GWR trains toTwyford don't stop at Ealing Broadway at that time of night.
At least during the day, you'll be able to get a comfortable GWR train to Ealing Broadway and just have same platform interchange with the Elizabeth line to get to Central London rather than a route march from platform 14.

Lawrie
 

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Perhaps, but only until the three remaining 7 car 345s are converted to 9 cars.
They currently cover the semi fast reading services into the shorter platform 14. Once everything else goes to to the low level it will free up platforms for them to become full length units.
 

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Having a look on RTT for late November it seems lots of the Heathrow trains make a service stop at Westbourne Park sidings for up to 4 minutes.
Does anyone know if this will actually happen, and if so will this remain even when the full timetable is in place in May 2023? If so it represents a bit of a step backwards for those in the west - especially as many of the adverts for crossrail promised quicker journey times, whereas in reality journeys to Paddington may be around 5 minutes slower than today.
 

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It’s as it is off-peak now just with through running.
Not quite. Currently it's every 5 minutes all day here at Canary Wharf. The new timetable has it every 7.5 minutes there for most of the day. Something that seems to be glossed over.

The prospect of two consecutive trains terminating at Paddington in the peak is I suspect going to lead to dwell time issues boarding the next through westbound service there. Rather like the Jubilee Line issue with terminating trains at North Greenwich, which gives boarding difficulties onto the through train behind at Canary Wharf.
 

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Now that I've had a chance to look at RTT and the new service from November, I had been hoping that the last Eiizabeth trains to Twyford would be made a bit later. But I see that the last train from Tottenham court Road to Twyford will be at 22:30.
Which means you will still be having to make the awkward change from one side of Paddington station to the other. And it will be no good trying to get a same platform interchange at Ealing Broadway as most of the GWR trains toTwyford don't stop at Ealing Broadway at that time of night.
At least during the day, you'll be able to get a comfortable GWR train to Ealing Broadway and just have same platform interchange with the Elizabeth line to get to Central London rather than a route march from platform 14.

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There are later trains that should match up with later trains at either Hayes or Maidenhead. Which should be a same or cross platform Interchange..

Not quite. Currently it's every 5 minutes all day here at Canary Wharf. The new timetable has it every 7.5 minutes there for most of the day. Something that seems to be glossed over.

The prospect of two consecutive trains terminating at Paddington in the peak is I suspect going to lead to dwell time issues boarding the next through westbound service there. Rather like the Jubilee Line issue with terminating trains at North Greenwich, which gives boarding difficulties onto the through train behind at Canary Wharf.
That's always been the case. Another anomaly is that Hayes will get a higher frequency of trains in the off peak than it does in the peak.
 

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That's always been the case. Another anomaly is that Hayes will get a higher frequency of trains in the off peak than it does in the peak.
Well then, it should have come out in the passenger flow modelling and been addressed. Through services with short workings terminating too soon for the traffic have always been a trouble, ever since the District Line had short terminators in the peak at Mansion House that overloaded the train following. Or my North Greenwich example.
 

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Having a look on RTT for late November it seems lots of the Heathrow trains make a service stop at Westbourne Park sidings for up to 4 minutes.
Does anyone know if this will actually happen
The tfl press release has a footnote warning about these extended dwells.
 

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The tfl press release has a footnote warning about these extended dwells.
Thanks, just read it. Still quite frustrating that the journey times will effectively be worse than when TfL rail took over the service several years back. At least if the dwell was in Paddington itself passengers would have a choice to get off and use another mode.

Even if there are on train announcements, from experience most people will still find it frustrating.
 

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Anyone know why weekday and weekend timetables are different, so that it takes 6 minutes longer to Canary Wharf from Heathrow weekdays
People landing at Heathrow Airport will now be able to travel straight through central London to areas such as Farringdon and Canary Wharf in as little as 36 and 45 minutes respectively on the weekend and 40 and 51 minutes respectively during the week.

Sunday services start 6th November
From Sunday 6 November, the lines from Reading, Heathrow, and Shenfield will connect with the central tunnels of the Elizabeth line - opening up new direct journeys across the capital

But works will apply on following 3 Saturdays, (doesn’t mention any Sunday work)
  • Sat 12 November - no service between Shenfield and Liverpool Street.
  • Sat 19 November - no service between Shenfield and Liverpool Street. Heathrow station will be closed.
  • Sat 20 November - no service between Shenfield and Liverpool Street, or between Paddington and Heathrow. Heathrow station will be closed.
  • Christmas closures to enable the final phase of the Elizabeth line will be confirmed as part of the usual TfL Festive travel press release later this year

 

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I wonder if the upto four minute dwell times at westbourne park indicate that when the full timetable is introduced those trains will be coming from Shenfield in future. I can imagine that those dwells are being caused by them being unable to fit the abbey wood trains into the gaps at paddington.

Either way there should have been a diveunder so that westbound trains could cross the tracks at paddington it would have been a small cost in the grand scheme of the project. Especially considering there were bridges built at Heathrow junction to cross sections of the track where the frequency is lower
 

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Not quite. Currently it's every 5 minutes all day here at Canary Wharf. The new timetable has it every 7.5 minutes there for most of the day. Something that seems to be glossed over.

The prospect of two consecutive trains terminating at Paddington in the peak is I suspect going to lead to dwell time issues boarding the next through westbound service there. Rather like the Jubilee Line issue with terminating trains at North Greenwich, which gives boarding difficulties onto the through train behind at Canary Wharf.

Ah I see what you mean. Yes Abbey Wood does get a reduced service, but 12tph off-peak was never the agreed plan for through services and I don’t think any of the many plans or speculated service plans of the past few years has had this included.

A valid point about alternate services terminating and train sweeps being required. Think trials are ongoing in this area although they do already need to be fairly slick at 2 minutes.

What crossing what specifically?

Perhaps it’s referring to terminating on the westbound platform to go eastbound in a contingency situation? It does seem like a bit of infrastructure that might not have been too expensive and quite helpful but you can’t build crossovers everywhere!

Anyone know why weekday and weekend timetables are different, so that it takes 6 minutes longer to Canary Wharf from Heathrow weekdays


Sunday services start 6th November


But works will apply on following 3 Saturdays, (doesn’t mention any Sunday work)



I believe it it something to do with large dwells awaiting to leave / enter the central section at Westbourne Park.
 

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Doesn't the westbound crossrail tracks cross the eastbound paddington tracks

No. The crossings are at Westbourne Park, west of the station. There’s is one east of Tottenham Court Road though so trains can terminate there and return in eastbound direction, if required.
 

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No. The crossings are at Westbourne Park, west of the station. There’s is one east of Tottenham Court Road though so trains can terminate there and return in eastbound direction, if required.
I think the point being made is that westbound trains from the Core conflict with eastbound arrivals into Paddington HL. It's slighly surprising that there is no grade separation to avoid this conflict, as there is at Pudding Mill Lane for instance. It seems like an obvious way that delays will be transferred between the GWML & Core.
 

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Doesn't the westbound crossrail tracks cross the eastbound paddington tracks
They do, to the extent westbound Crossrail joins line 5, but come next May I believe there’ll be no GWR trains heading into Paddington on the conflicting route, ie what would have been line 6. The GWR trains using line 4 towards Paddington will have been on the mains since Slough or somewhere like that. I suspect that’s one of the main reasons for that GWR track access application that was discussed at length in the previous thread back in July.
 

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I think the point being made is that westbound trains from the Core conflict with eastbound arrivals into Paddington HL. It's slighly surprising that there is no grade separation to avoid this conflict, as there is at Pudding Mill Lane for instance. It seems like an obvious way that delays will be transferred between the GWML & Core.

I thought the discussion was about Paddington lower level, but okay,

I don’t think there will be much conflict on the relief lines because pretty much nothing will be going into/out of Paddington HL anyway on the Relief Lines considering it’s pretty much only Elizabeth line services (all going into the central section) and 2tph GWR Didcot stoppers (which may run mainline anyway soon).

There might be some small potential for Westbound empty services to Old Oak Common to conflict with Eastbound passenger services, but this seems very limited.
 

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I think the point being made is that westbound trains from the Core conflict with eastbound arrivals into Paddington HL. It's slighly surprising that there is no grade separation to avoid this conflict, as there is at Pudding Mill Lane for instance. It seems like an obvious way that delays will be transferred between the GWML & Core.
I don’t think there was a practical solution to grade separation, because the only obvious place to put it is where the LU H&C lines are. But as a couple of us have now mentioned, I don’t think the low number of conflicting trains would have justified it, and there’s a pretty strong possibility there’ll be no trains making the eastbound move from relief into the HL station over the majority of the day. The only GWR services will be those few trains that will run on the reliefs after Crossrail shuts down for the night.
 
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