D&G Buses

[SeanM1997]

Arriva are to close its Winsford and Macclesfield depots this Saturday. D&G, is replacing numerous services:

New Bus Services from 23rd April 2023:
1 - D&G - Weaverham-Northwich-Rudheath - 1bph Monday-Saturday - https://dgbus.co.uk/assets/1n_2023-04-23.pdf
3 - D&G - Macclesfield-Weston - 2bph Monday-Saturday - https://dgbus.co.uk/assets/3_2023-04-23.pdf
10 - D&G - Macclesfield-Bollington - 2bph Monday-Saturday - https://dgbus.co.uk/assets/10_2023-04-23.pdf
31 - D&G - Crewe-Winsford-Northwich - 1bph Monday-Saturday - https://dgbus.co.uk/assets/31_2023-04-23.pdf
37 - D&G - Crewe-Sandbach-Winsford-Northwich - 1bph Monday-Saturday - https://dgbus.co.uk/assets/37_2023-04-23.pdf
X31 - D&G - Northwich-Winsford - Friday & Saturday evenings - https://dgbus.co.uk/assets/x31_2023-04-23.pdf

Service alterations from 23rd April 2023:
8 - D&G - Wistaston Green-Crewe-Sydney - services to operate 10 minutes earlier - https://dgbus.co.uk/assets/8_2023-04-23.pdf
12 - D&G - Leighton Hospital-Crewe-Shavington - to serve Underwood Lane not North Street, evening services added - https://dgbus.co.uk/assets/12_2023-04-23.pdf
19/19A - D&G - Macclesfield-Prestbury/Whirley Barn - increase frequency to 1bph Monday-Saturday with 1bp2h serving Prestbury and 1bp2h serving Whirley Barn - https://dgbus.co.uk/assets/19,19a_2023-04-23.pdf
38 - D&G - Crewe-Sandbach-Macclesfield - evening services added and timetable revised - https://dgbus.co.uk/assets/38_2023-04-23.pdf
82 - D&G - Chester-Northwich-Rudheath - minor changes to timings between Northwich and Rudheath - https://dgbus.co.uk/assets/82_2023-04-23.pdf
85 - D&G - Nantwich-Crewe-Newcastle - 0751 Marshfield-Crewe Railway Station departs 10 minutes earlier - https://dgbus.co.uk/assets/85_2023-04-23.pdf

Service alterations from 1st May 2023:
88 - Altrincham-Macclesfield - minor changes to times at Over Peover and Morley Green - https://dgbus.co.uk/assets/88,188_2023-05-01.pdf





Looks like 3 buses are on their way from Centrebus to D&G

Recent changes – bustimes.org

 

[turnbacktheyea]

Awaiting information on new services:
W7 - D&G - Winsford Circular via Glebe Green, Over and Mount Pleasant

I know in the Northwich Guardian it says that D&G are running the 7's but I haven't seen anything official that D&G are running them, nothing on their website or the council website. Lets just say it is D&G though, it'll be interesting to see the timetable. I saw somewhere online that it will be ran from 9am-2:30pm every hour. Based off that, they'll probably run to a timetable like this:
0900 - 7
1000 - 7
1100- 7
Half an Hour lunch (They don't give drivers enough lunch breaks)
1230 -7
1330 -7
1430 -7

Yes, I'm referring to it as 7 as the number W7 sounds incompetent.

 

[Danfilm007]

I know in the Northwich Guardian it says that D&G are running the 7's but I haven't seen anything official that D&G are running them, nothing on their website or the council website. Lets just say it is D&G though, it'll be interesting to see the timetable. I saw somewhere online that it will be ran from 9am-2:30pm every hour. Based off that, they'll probably run to a timetable like this:
0900 - 7
1000 - 7
1100- 7
Half an Hour lunch (They don't give drivers enough lunch breaks)
1230 -7
1330 -7
1430 -7

Yes, I'm referring to it as 7 as the number W7 sounds incompetent.

Numbering is a bit of a pain but then I suppose when tendering it makes it clear where it is?

 

[SeanM1997]

I know in the Northwich Guardian it says that D&G are running the 7's but I haven't seen anything official that D&G are running them, nothing on their website or the council website. Lets just say it is D&G though, it'll be interesting to see the timetable. I saw somewhere online that it will be ran from 9am-2:30pm every hour. Based off that, they'll probably run to a timetable like this:
0900 - 7
1000 - 7
1100- 7
Half an Hour lunch (They don't give drivers enough lunch breaks)
1230 -7
1330 -7
1430 -7

Yes, I'm referring to it as 7 as the number W7 sounds incompetent.

In a shock - Stagecoach have won it!

D&G 12 Leighton Hospital-Crewe-Shavington has now been registered for a Variation - to include the Monday-Friday subsidised services:

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/609429/

 

[sonic2009]

In a shock - Stagecoach have won it!

Have Stagecoach got the W7 then off D&G?

Also it appears three buses from Centrebus have come across to D&G whether this is for the new services this is unclear.

https://bustimes.org/vehicles/history?vehicle__operator=DAGC

169	16 hours ago	506 - YX13 EJC	operator from CBNL to DAGC https://www.facebook.com/groups/1147183985742194/permalink/1646823269111594/
169	16 hours ago	504 - YX63 LGG	operator from CBNL to DAGC "
169	16 hours ago	532 - YY64 GWG	operator from CBNL to DAGC

The facebook group is a private group - I'm awaiting acceptance to find out some more information.

 

[SeanM1997]

Have Stagecoach got the W7 then off D&G?

Also it appears three buses from Centrebus have come across to D&G whether this is for the new services this is unclear.

169	16 hours ago	506 - YX13 EJC	operator from CBNL to DAGC https://www.facebook.com/groups/1147183985742194/permalink/1646823269111594/
169	16 hours ago	504 - YX63 LGG	operator from CBNL to DAGC "
169	16 hours ago	532 - YY64 GWG	operator from CBNL to DAGC

The facebook group is a private group - I'm awaiting acceptance to find out some more information.

Stagecoach have the W7 yes

And D&G will need more than 3 buses in their Crewe depot for the new routes. 31/37 requires 6 buses and Weaverham-Leftwich route 1 requires another bus. Macclesfield services will be from Adderley Park depot and will require 2 buses (1 each for routes 3 and 10)

 

[Danfilm007]

In a shock - Stagecoach have won it!

That's one hell of a shock! Quite a big distance from their depot to Winsford for one tendered service (at least the 48 is a bit more in their zone...) I wonder perhaps they might sniff an opportunity or two in the next few months?

 

[SeanM1997]

That's one hell of a shock! Quite a big distance from their depot to Winsford for one tendered service (at least the 48 is a bit more in their zone...) I wonder perhaps they might sniff an opportunity or two in the next few months?

Unlikely - the W7 is subsidised and fits between their school runs from Tarporley High which isn't a million miles away. The W7 will only operate Monday-Friday between 0930-1400 so is a nice middle of the day addition which requires no additional drivers or buses

 

[Shauny]

Stagecoach have the W7 yes

And D&G will need more than 3 buses in their Crewe depot for the new routes. 31/37 requires 6 buses and Weaverham-Leftwich route 1 requires another bus. Macclesfield services will be from Adderley Park depot and will require 2 buses (1 each for routes 3 and 10)

D&G will need 4 buses for Macclesfield services. 1 for the 3 Weston, 2 for the 10 Bollington and 1 for the 19/19A Prestbury/Whirley.

But as D&G already operate the 19, they will need an extra of 3.

 

[Danfilm007]

Unlikely - the W7 is subsidised and fits between their school runs from Tarporley High which isn't a million miles away. The W7 will only operate Monday-Friday between 0930-1400 so is a nice middle of the day addition which requires no additional drivers or buses

Quite a drop from current service levels though - I just hope they get a good return out of it for Cheshire West and Chester council (CWAC).

 

[northwichcat]

I know in the Northwich Guardian it says that D&G are running the 7's

Did it? The article I saw was a copy and paste of the Cheshire West press release. That didn't mention operators of the contracted routes but included links to the D&G Bus, Stagecoach and Warrington's Own Buses sites.

Unlikely - the W7 is subsidised and fits between their school runs from Tarporley High which isn't a million miles away.

Plus we don't know who is taking on the school work from Arriva. That's unlikely to be D&G due to the need for double deckers.

Also it appears three buses from Centrebus have come across to D&G whether this is for the new services this is unclear.

169	16 hours ago	506 - YX13 EJC	operator from CBNL to DAGC https://www.facebook.com/groups/1147183985742194/permalink/1646823269111594/
169	16 hours ago	504 - YX63 LGG	operator from CBNL to DAGC "
169	16 hours ago	532 - YY64 GWG	operator from CBNL to DAGC

The facebook group is a private group - I'm awaiting acceptance to find out some more information.

They're listed as being at Crewe on buslists.uk but anyone can edit that. https://buslists.uk/fleet.php?ownerid=104

Bustimes doesn't have any of them tracking since yesterday morning. If they are permanent transfers presumably D&G will want to at least change the name on them soon.

 

[ACBest]

Six E200’s either have transferred over, or are about to transfer over, from Centrebus Leicester - these are 504/5/6/30/1/2.

 

[Simon75]

Unlikely - the W7 is subsidised and fits between their school runs from Tarporley High which isn't a million miles away. The W7 will only operate Monday-Friday between 0930-1400 so is a nice middle of the day addition which requires no additional drivers or buses

About 10 miles

 

[northwichcat]

Six E200’s either have transferred over, or are about to transfer over, from Centrebus Leicester - these are 504/5/6/30/1/2.

Plus YX16 ODG and YX16 ODJ have arrived (10.8m Enviros). These used to be used on Heathrow Airport services so just had 29 seats due to the luggage racks. I don't know if they still have their airport layout or not.

 

[sonic2009]

Plus YX16 ODG and YX16 ODJ have arrived (10.8m Enviros). These used to be used on Heathrow Airport services so just had 29 seats due to the luggage racks. I don't know if they still have their airport layout or not.

These were recently at Mistral according to https://buslists.uk/fleet.php?ownerid=683

 

[northwichcat]

These were recently at Mistral according to https://buslists.uk/fleet.php?ownerid=683

Looks like The Bus Shop (part of Mistral) sold them as 39 seaters: https://the-bus-shop.co.uk/buses/adl-e200-10-8m-yx16-odj/



Does anyone know if the full 82 timetable has been operated yesterday (Wednesday) and today? Both days the 3rd bus has only tracked from the 16:15 John Deanes to Chester journey, with no earlier journeys tracking.

 

[ShaunyFlynn]

Does anyone know if the full 82 timetable has been operated yesterday (Wednesday) and today? Both days the 3rd bus has only tracked from the 16:15 John Deanes to Chester journey, with no earlier journeys tracking.

Yes it was running. 28 (T28 TYB) currently has a tracking error.

 

[SeanM1997]

D&G have registered for the 84X between Crewe and Nantwich from 23 April 2023 - no details as yet on the timetable:

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/609551/

 

[sonic2009]

How strange - I thought D&G were going to leave Stagecoach to run the 84.

 

[SeanM1997]

Normally D&G publish their timetables before it appears on VOSA so interesting they haven't. Service meant to start in 2 days time...I don't see that happening

X84 is an interesting number - perception that its faster than 84...could it mean skipping Willaston for instance

 

[Danfilm007]

D&G have registered for the 84X between Crewe and Nantwich from 23 April 2023 - no details as yet on the timetable:

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/609551/

Very late submission on this - maybe it'll be another school bus filler during the day to make a 30 min or hourly service? All speculation of course until they publish it.

 

[Pub]

D&G have registered for the 84X between Crewe and Nantwich from 23 April 2023 - no details as yet on the timetable:

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/609551/

Can't even spell Crewe correctly on the form

 

[duncombec]

Can't even spell Crewe correctly on the form

The registration was submitted manually, so it could just as easily have been the Traffic Commissioners (TC) who made the typing error, rather than the operator - it has been known to happen (and the TC staff have been known to be occasionally sub-par at updating extraneous details such as service numbers when handling a combined registration, or terminal points if a route is lengthened/shortened).

Normally D&G publish their timetables before it appears on VOSA so interesting they haven't. Service meant to start in 2 days time...I don't see that happening

X84 is an interesting number - perception that its faster than 84...could it mean skipping Willaston for instance

Willaston is specifically mentioned as a via point on the registration in the link that you posted! Likewise, as a manual registration, there is no guarantee it wasn't physically received much earlier by the TC and just took a while to be processed on the system (the stated receipt date).

It could, possibly, even be a previous idea that was then scrapped when Stagecoach registered, and the manual cancellation is equally in the queue!

 

[markymark2000]

This is what Cheshire East Council has to say on the topic.

Bus Service Changes

Bus service news, notices and changes affecting bus services in East Cheshire, including Crewe, Nantwich, Macclesfield, Congleton and Alsager.

www.cheshireeast.gov.uk

84 Crewe-Nantwich-Chester D & G buses, evening and Sunday service provided commercially. Does not serve Willaston 30 mins Crewe to Nantwich, evening/Sunday services hourly. First bus 06:28, Last bus 20:58.

(Quote is edited slightly to make it easier to read as it's in a table format on the page which doesn't easily copy and paste into the forum)


Given the first and last bus times, I think that Cheshire East have just copied and pasted some route information and hoped it fits and no one proof read or checked it.

 

[SeanM1997]

Let's see if D&G information is correct, hopefully online soon

This is what Cheshire East Council has to say on the topic.

Bus Service Changes

Bus service news, notices and changes affecting bus services in East Cheshire, including Crewe, Nantwich, Macclesfield, Congleton and Alsager.

www.cheshireeast.gov.uk

(Quote is edited slightly to make it easier to read as it's in a table format on the page which doesn't easily copy and paste into the forum)


Given the first and last bus times, I think that Cheshire East have just copied and pasted some route information and hoped it fits and no one proof read or checked it.

The registration was submitted manually, so it could just as easily have been the Traffic Commissioners (TC) who made the typing error, rather than the operator - it has been known to happen (and the TC staff have been known to be occasionally sub-par at updating extraneous details such as service numbers when handling a combined registration, or terminal points if a route is lengthened/shortened).


Willaston is specifically mentioned as a via point on the registration in the link that you posted! Likewise, as a manual registration, there is no guarantee it wasn't physically received much earlier by the TC and just took a while to be processed on the system (the stated receipt date).

It could, possibly, even be a previous idea that was then scrapped when Stagecoach registered, and the manual cancellation is equally in the queue!

The Willaston bit wasn't in the link when I posted earlier (just said Crewe - Nantwich not even Bus Stations at that point) - the Cheshire East page above mentions the service Does not serve Willaston

 

[sonic2009]

I've just phoned D&G Phone: 01270 252970 and the lady on the phone said that D&G are running the shorts & Stageocach through to Chester - so it's very confusing what's going on.

 

[SeanM1997]

I've just phoned D&G Phone: 01270 252970 and the lady on the phone said that D&G are running the shorts & Stageocach through to Chester - so it's very confusing what's going on.

Did you ask when the timetable will go live? Does sound like they will be launching!

 

[sonic2009]

Did you ask when the timetable will go live? Does sound like they will be launching!

I forgot to ask that - the line was terrible.

 

[duncombec]

The Willaston bit wasn't in the link when I posted earlier (just said Crewe - Nantwich not even Bus Stations at that point) - the Cheshire East page above mentions the service Does not serve Willaston

Ah, apologies. Then again, I'm sure there wasn't anything on the Cheshire East page about D&G when I checked, but there was when Markymark posted his reply 6 minutes later!

I've just phoned D&G Phone: 01270 252970 and the lady on the phone said that D&G are running the shorts & Stageocach through to Chester - so it's very confusing what's going on.

Perhaps driver availability?

This all rather goes to show why sometimes, the keen desire to work out what's going on from the basic registration details can lead to more problems and confusion than if we just waited to be told what was going on!

 

[SeanM1997]

I've been informed that services will indeed launch this Sunday and a timetable will be published on Monday (which is not helpful for customers)