Day Travelcard between Zone 1 and Broxbourne?

[Suzey]

Evening all

This weekend I need to make the following journeys:

Saturday morning: Wimbledon to Broxbourne
Saturday evening: Broxbourne to Hitchin
Sunday evening: Hitchin to Wimbledon

I have a Network Railcard.

Now bear with me, but I've thought about this and here is what I am currently thinking is the cheapest way of doing this:

1. Buy a paper Day Travelcard between Zone 1 and Broxbourne for Saturday (£11.70 with Network Railcard)
2. Buy a paper single ticket from Hadley Road to Hitchin for Saturday (£5.30 with Network Railcard)
3. Buy a paper single ticket from Hitchin to Wimbledon for Sunday (£9.70 with Network Railcard)
4. Use the Day Travelcard to enter the system at Wimbledon and exit the system at Broxbourne on Saturday morning
5. Use the Day Travelcard to re-enter the system at Broxbourne on Saturday evening and travel to Tottenham Hale, then take LUL to Finsbury Park and travel from there to Hadley Road
6. At Hadley Road, my paper single ticket to Hitchin allows me to continue my journey to Hitchin with a change at Welwyn Garden City

Questions:

1. If I buy a paper Day Travelcard, can I use it from the beginning ie start my journey in Wimbledon? Or is it only valid for a day trip starting at Broxbourne?
2. Can I use my Network Railcard to get a discount on said Travelcard?
3. Will the Day Travelcard be retained by the barrier when I get off at Broxbourne on Saturday morning?
4. If the paper Day Travelcard option isn't going to work and I have to rely on a contactless cap to take me from Wimbledon-Broxbourne-Tottenham Hale-Finsbury Park-Hadley Road, does this mean I end up paying more because I can't apply my Railcard?

Thank you in advance.

Suze

 

[yorkie]

Evening all

This weekend I need to make the following journeys:

Saturday morning: Wimbledon to Broxbourne
Saturday evening: Broxbourne to Hitchin
Sunday evening: Hitchin to Wimbledon

I have a Network Railcard.

Now bear with me, but I've thought about this and here is what I am currently thinking is the cheapest way of doing this:

1. Buy a paper Day Travelcard between Zone 1 and Broxbourne for Saturday (£11.70 with Network Railcard)

There is no such fare; the following fare is £11.70:

From: Broxbourne
To: London Zones 1-6
Also available at (AAA): Zones 7-9
Ticket type: Off Peak Day Travelcard (ODT)
​

This is valid for one journey from BXB to the boundary of Zone 9, then unlimited travel in Zones 1-9 and then one journey from the boundary of Zone 9 to BXB. You are not permitted to use it in reverse order, but it is permitted to start 'short'.

1. Buy a paper single ticket from Hadley Road to Hitchin for Saturday (£5.30 with Network Railcard)

Hadley Wood? That's fine.

1. Buy a paper single ticket from Hitchin to Wimbledon for Sunday (£9.70 with Network Railcard)
2. Use the Day Travelcard to enter the system at Wimbledon and exit the system at Broxbourne on Saturday morning

That's all fine.

1. Use the Day Travelcard to re-enter the system at Broxbourne on Saturday evening and travel to Tottenham Hale, then take LUL to Finsbury Park and travel from there to Hadley Road

Technically you are not permitted to travel from Broxbourne if you have already arrived into Broxbourne.

1. At Hadley Road, my paper single ticket to Hitchin allows me to continue my journey to Hitchin with a change at Welwyn Garden City

Yes, or a direct Finsbury Park - Hitchin train if you prefer.

Questions:

1. If I buy a paper Day Travelcard, can I use it from the beginning ie start my journey in Wimbledon? Or is it only valid for a day trip starting at Broxbourne?

You can start at Wimbledon on that fare, but once you arrive by train into Broxbourne, you are not allowed to travel by train out of Broxbourne.

1. Can I use my Network Railcard to get a discount on said Travelcard?

Yes

1. Will the Day Travelcard be retained by the barrier when I get off at Broxbourne on Saturday morning?

Possibly, so it's best to show it to staff.

1. If the paper Day Travelcard option isn't going to work and I have to rely on a contactless cap to take me from Wimbledon-Broxbourne-Tottenham Hale-Finsbury Park-Hadley Road, does this mean I end up paying more because I can't apply my Railcard?

You can use the new New Oyster Fare Finder to find the fare for any particular journey. The daily off-peak cap between BXB and Zones 1-9 is £17.70 ( http://content.tfl.gov.uk/national-rail-adult-fares-2017.pdf) and

 

[Suzey]

Thank you for your reply

I won't Quote as it will get messy, however I think my question about whether the paper Day Travelcard will be retained by the barrier is kind of academic if I can't use it to travel back into London from Broxbourne. I don't need the ticket for any reason other than to travel.

Am I right in thinking that if I was going to start in Broxbourne, it's cheaper to buy a paper Day Travelcard because I can get a Network Card discount, as opposed to use contactless and let the system apply the daily cap?

Is there a way of using a Network Card to discount contactless fares?

It's looking like using contactless to go Wimbledon-Broxbourne-Tottenham Hale-Finsbury Park-Hadley Wood is the best bet, but it will be expensive.

However I did look at travelling north from Broxbourne and considered walking from Hertford East to Hertford North which looks perfectly doable, but there are no direct trains to Hitchin and the direct trains to Stevenage (from where I could get a lift) are only one per hour!!!

Happy to consider any other ideas people have!

Suze

 

[MikeWh]

If the paper Day Travelcard option isn't going to work and I have to rely on a contactless cap to take me from Wimbledon-Broxbourne-Tottenham Hale-Finsbury Park-Hadley Road, does this mean I end up paying more because I can't apply my Railcard?

It depends how you go from Wimbledon to Broxbourne. If you avoid zone 1* then both Wimbledon to Broxbourne and Broxbourne to Hadley Wood cost £4.60, so a total of £9.20. You will have to get off at Hadley Wood to touch out before continuing to Hitchin on your paper ticket (which would need to be Hadley Wood to Hitchin rather than BZ6). If you go across zone 1 then the first fare is £7.80 and a total of £12.40.

*District line to West Brompton, Overground via Willesden Junction to Hackney Central, then Overground from Hackney Downs to Broxbourne.

 

[MikeWh]

Is there a way of using a Network Card to discount contactless fares?

It's looking like using contactless to go Wimbledon-Broxbourne-Tottenham Hale-Finsbury Park-Hadley Wood is the best bet, but it will be expensive.

You can't apply any railcard discount to contactless fares. However, unless you are stopping off en-route, Broxbourne-Tottenham Hale-Finsbury Park-Hadley Wood is all one journey for £4.60 off-peak. At TH you touch out and back in again within the 20 minutes allowed for it to count as one journey. The same applies to FP, but you should be able to do it without touching at all there.

 

[greatkingrat]

You can get a paper CDS Broxbourne - Hitchin (via Hertford) for 6.85 if you don't mind walking between the two Hertford stations. This will probably be quicker than going via Hadley Wood as well.


Or perhaps a single Wimbledon - Hertford Stations for 6.75 (breaking journey at Broxbourne), plus a single Hertford Stations - Hitchin for 3.95?

 

[Suzey]

It depends how you go from Wimbledon to Broxbourne. If you avoid zone 1* then both Wimbledon to Broxbourne and Broxbourne to Hadley Wood cost £4.60, so a total of £9.20. You will have to get off at Hadley Wood to touch out before continuing to Hitchin on your paper ticket (which would need to be Hadley Wood to Hitchin rather than BZ6). If you go across zone 1 then the first fare is £7.80 and a total of £12.40.

*District line to West Brompton, Overground via Willesden Junction to Hackney Central, then Overground from Hackney Downs to Broxbourne.

Thanks, the thought had occurred to me but I'll have to check how long the non-Zone One journey would take as I need to be at BXB very early

Overground from Hackney Downs to Broxbourne - do you mean NR?

Suze

You can get a paper CDS Broxbourne - Hitchin (via Hertford) for 6.85 if you don't mind walking between the two Hertford stations. This will probably be quicker than going via Hadley Wood as well.


Or perhaps a single Wimbledon - Hertford Stations for 6.75 (breaking journey at Broxbourne), plus a single Hertford Stations - Hitchin for 3.95?

Hi, I considered that (see my post a little higher up) but the trains from Hertford North to Stevenage are only one per hour and there don't seem to be any that go beyond Stevenage to Hitchin etc. So I could be stuck waiting at Hertford North for 59 minutes etc.

What's a CDS?

Interesting what you say about breaking the journey at Broxbourne - can you do that on any route? Is there a danger the barrier will swallow the ticket?

Suze

You can't apply any railcard discount to contactless fares. However, unless you are stopping off en-route, Broxbourne-Tottenham Hale-Finsbury Park-Hadley Wood is all one journey for £4.60 off-peak. At TH you touch out and back in again within the 20 minutes allowed for it to count as one journey. The same applies to FP, but you should be able to do it without touching at all there.

Thanks. I think I got confused because I saw that the Broxbourne to Zone One cap is £17-something so I assumed that if I did Wimbledon to Broxbourne and then later on Broxbourne to Hadley Wood, it would bring me up to the cap.

At Finsbury Park if memory serves I had to touch out of the tube and then touch in at the barriers on the NR platform in the past, but yes, it can be done within 20 minutes.

Suze

 

[yorkie]

Overground from Hackney Downs to Broxbourne - do you mean NR?

Yes, he does.

Incidentally, both Abellio Greater Anglia and London Overground are both part of National Rail. However LO is let as a concession by TfL, hence TfL give LO special treatment in terms of maps, signage etc and when TfL refer to "National Rail" they generally mean "National Rail except LO", and the LO pricing is set by TfL (or, where cheaper, NR rates apply)

 

[Hadders]

I'd buy:

Saturday:
Hitchin - London Zones 1-6 Super Off Peak Travelcard £12.50
Boundary Zone 6 - Broxbourne Off Peak Day Return £3.90

Sunday:
Hitchin - London Zones 1-6 Super Off Peak Day Travelcard £9.70

 

[Suzey]

I'd buy:

Saturday:
Hitchin - London Zones 1-6 Super Off Peak Travelcard £12.50
Boundary Zone 6 - Broxbourne Off Peak Day Return £3.90

Sunday:
Hitchin - London Zones 1-6 Super Off Peak Day Travelcard £9.70

Now that's a good idea

Do you have any idea why the Sunday travelcard is cheaper than the Saturday one?

Can I start my journey anywhere within Zones 1-6 on the Saturday?

I'm assuming these prices can all be discounted using my Network Card?

Thank you

Suze

 

[Joe Paxton]

I'd buy:

Saturday:
Hitchin - London Zones 1-6 Super Off Peak Travelcard £12.50
Boundary Zone 6 - Broxbourne Off Peak Day Return £3.90

Sunday:
Hitchin - London Zones 1-6 Super Off Peak Day Travelcard £9.70

Do you have any idea why the Sunday travelcard is cheaper than the Saturday one?

Because Hadders has made a mistake! The cost with a Railcard discount is £12.50 on either Saturday or Sunday, not sure where his £9.70 came from?

Can I start my journey anywhere within Zones 1-6 on the Saturday?

I'm assuming these prices can all be discounted using my Network Card?

Yes you can start your journey anywhere within zones 1-6 on the Saturday no problem.

The fares Hadders quoted already have the Network Railcard discount (though again not sure where the £9.70 came from).

 

[Hadders]

My bad!

The Sunday fare is a Super Off Peak Day Single from Hitchin to Wimbledon.

The prices quoted include railcard discount.

 

[Suzey]

Thanks for your help everyone. I went with the option Hadders outlined.

I ordered online, and couldn't select Boundary Zone 6 as an origin (or destination). So I selected Enfield Lock instead because it's in Zone 6.

Do I therefore need to ensure I am on a train that actually stops at Enfield Lock?

My Hitchin to Zones 1-6 Day Travelcard is valid from central London to Enfield Lock and then the return from Enfield Lock to Broxbourne will take over.

cheers

Suze

 

[yorkie]

Under the current rules, you do not need to be on a train that calls at Enfield Lock.

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/Conditions of Travel 2016.pdf

...If you are using a Season Ticket, daily Zonal Ticket, or another area based Ticket such as a concessionary pass, ranger or rover in conjunction with another Ticket and the last station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to call at that station for your combination to be valid....

Boundary Zone 6 tickets are not available online. They can be purchased at competent booking offices and also from some Ticket Vending Machines (TVM) which have the option to buy tickets from an alternative origin (not all do).

 

[Suzey]

Under the current rules, you do not need to be on a train that calls at Enfield Lock.

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/Conditions of Travel 2016.pdf



Boundary Zone 6 tickets are not available online. They can be purchased at competent booking offices and also from some Ticket Vending Machines (TVM) which have the option to buy tickets from an alternative origin (not all do).

Ah, thanks! I thought one of them had to be a season ticket. I didn't realise that a daily zonal ticket would be OK. That's great, gives me a lot more options

Suze

 

[yorkie]

No worries The rules changed last October. They'll probably change again in the not too distant future!

(By the way I have adjusted your posts so that any quoted text appears above your reply, as that is the convention used on this forum)