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December 2024 timetable change

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I'm just seen that extra services between Cheltenham and London will be 9 or 10 carriages. Can anyone tell me what services they will be?
Recognising changes in customer demand, the train operator is also to increase the number of carriages on some early Sunday morning trains on key routes. Nine or ten carriage trains will replace five carriages trains, effectively doubling the number of seats available on some services from Cheltenham to London Paddington and from Great Malvern to London Paddington.
 
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An FGW Sunday service ‘improvement’ appears to be a paper exercise currently.
 

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Northern’s recently formed 150008 is taking charge of Northern’s half of the now shared Huddersfield-Dewsbury-Leeds stopper following todays timetable change. Seen here at Huddersfield on 2J55 0859 to Leeds.

Why "recently formed"? Is it a cut-and-shut?
 

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Why "recently formed"? Is it a cut-and-shut?
Yes 150008 is unit 150111 with half of 150226 (57226) in the middle, it’s been in service in its new formation for a week or two. 150007 has the 52 end of 150226 in the middle of 150132.
 

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GWR has retimed the weekday 19:02 PAD to BRI train to 19:00 and it's no longer Super Off Peak to BRI. Genius.

Now have to wait for the 19:30 service.
 

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GWR has retimed the weekday 19:02 PAD to BRI train to 19:00 and it's no longer Super Off Peak to BRI. Genius.

Now have to wait for the 19:30 service.
They have also made it pick up only at Reading, and moved the Plymouth train back to 1904 so presumably there is some intention to manage loadings.
 

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You could ask GW for an easement in case they have overlooked the pricing implication of an operational change - it is possible.

BTW 1912/18 change at Parkway is 5min faster - in theory :)
 

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Thanks, have done that change a few times when the Gloucester trains are running to allow the connection! ;)
 

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I did notice that, rather than one trip each way early afternoon on weekdays, it's a single eastbound trip at silly o'clock on a Saturday morning now. Even more annoying because the one time I went for it, we ran via Landore!
It's Monday and Saturday according to RTT, 1W14 0604 Carmarthen to Manchester: but every day except Sunday according to TfW's published timetable
https://tfw.wales/sites/default/files/2024-12/7_West-Wales-Swansea-Cardiff_December-2024_V3.pdf

Either way, it's annoying - I'd been putting off a trip to South Wales to do the Swansea District until I could try out the 398s and 756s as well. But I'm not prepared to turn up at Carmarthen at 6am (or even Llanelli at 0630)
 

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It's a backward step, surely, on this route. A 185 replaced by a 150?
It could be seen as a backwards step going from a 185 to a 150, however observing all the passengers boarding yesterday morning they all appeared to be nonplussed by the change in train type.

On a personal note as a regular user of the route I am very pleased it’s back to a self contained Huddersfield-Leeds shuttle as I’m more likely now to get a seat, it was nearly always standing room only when the Manchester-Hull was being used as the stopper.
 

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They have also made it pick up only at Reading, and moved the Plymouth train back to 1904 so presumably there is some intention to manage loadings.
That makes sense even if not universally popular with those in the cheap seats.
 

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It could be seen as a backwards step going from a 185 to a 150, however observing all the passengers boarding yesterday morning they all appeared to be nonplussed by the change in train type.

On a personal note as a regular user of the route I am very pleased it’s back to a self contained Huddersfield-Leeds shuttle as I’m more likely now to get a seat, it was nearly always standing room only when the Manchester-Hull was being used as the stopper.
Until the summer time when they will miss the AC of a 185 to board a hot sweaty 150
 

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There are only a handful of those Southends using platform 8 mainly off peak and never more than one an hour. Thought greater use of the now underused EL lines from Liverpool Street might happen but obviously not. Causes too many issues at other locations.
Yes only about 5 a day to Southend using platform 8. 04:37, 06:07, 11:58, 12:58 & 13:58.
 

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My local station is Northallerton. As someone whose train journeys usually involve either going south or going to Edinburgh, I didn't realise how comically bad the service has now become between Northallerton and Newcastle now that the Liverpool-Newcastle TPEs don't stop for much of the day. 90 minute (weekday) gaps in a service that generates 25% of Northallerton's traffic (to Darlington, Durham and Newcastle) is very poor.

On a Saturday, there are generally 2 hour gaps and the NR journey planner has to suggest either changing at Eaglescliffe to get to Darlington, or a Grand Central to Sunderland for Northern forward. Nonsensical.

On a Sunday, the first train to Newcastle is at 0921 and then there isn't another until 1255!

The NR planner points out that the quickest journey at many times is to go to York and back (and then helpfully points out that's not a valid route with this ticket).

Still, I suppose something had to be done about the lack of car parking spaces at Northallerton station...
 

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Apologies if it has already been mentioned but is there any particular reason that the Stratford to Meridian Water trains have switched to Class 9 headcodes? Just seems a tiny bit random.
 

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Apologies if it has already been mentioned but is there any particular reason that the Stratford to Meridian Water trains have switched to Class 9 headcodes? Just seems a tiny bit random.
I very much suspect it's to aid the signallers with routing after Lea Bridge to make them stand out that they must go on the Meridian Water bay track.
 

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Apologies if it has already been mentioned but is there any particular reason that the Stratford to Meridian Water trains have switched to Class 9 headcodes? Just seems a tiny bit random.
Headcodes clashes - 2Mxx at Stratford is for interregional trains on the NLL via New Lines/Primrose Hill
 

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A random observation while looking at Northern timetables on line. I see that the 22.23 Whitby to Middlesbrough omits the call at Sleights. This is a village of some 2,000 population which appears to justify an hourly bus during the day but this finishes at tea time. There are no trains to cross anywhere so why miss it out? An academic question for me as I'm in Devon.

Actually it didn't call there in the old timetable either. When I lived in Northern's area I always thought they had a habit of missing out late evening stops for no obvious reason.
 

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A random observation while looking at Northern timetables on line. I see that the 22.23 Whitby to Middlesbrough omits the call at Sleights. This is a village of some 2,000 population which appears to justify an hourly bus during the day but this finishes at tea time. There are no trains to cross anywhere so why miss it out? An academic question for me as I'm in Devon.

Actually it didn't call there in the old timetable either. When I lived in Northern's area I always thought they had a habit of missing out late evening stops for no obvious reason.
It's an odd one, that. I wonder if, with Sleights station building being a private residence, they don't want people who been out drinking in Whitby all day getting off there hammered?
 

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It's a backward step, surely, on this route. A 185 replaced by a 150?
Agree. But its been like running a Pendolino on the Wrexham Bidston... but hopefully that god awful cut-n-shut 150 will only be a short term stop-gap.

Long term, the priority electrification in the TP scheme should be from Huddersfield up to the back end of Leeds, the benefits will be felt first there, and passenger numbers in this densely packed area which suffers from horrific traffic problems will surely grow - maybe 323s, 331s or 350s on it in a few years.
 

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Headcodes clashes - 2Mxx at Stratford is for interregional trains on the NLL via New Lines/Primrose Hill

Surely a new letter for the "2X" heacode is more suited than "9xxx" headcodes?
 

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It's a backward step, surely, on this route. A 185 replaced by a 150?
From late August next year the service transfers entirely to Northern and is diverted to Bradford interchange whilst Huddersfield is in its interim state. 150s are not great for comfort or journey time as you can see the Hull to Liverpool behind the Northern 2Jxx from Leeds catches it up and has pathing added to it.
 

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It's a backward step, surely, on this route. A 185 replaced by a 150?
Not really, it's just going back to previous operation. The 185 just happened to be what TPE had available in their fairly standardised fleet, as used on the Redcar Central service, and they don't have any other "local" units. They did have 170s at one time. The 150 is currently used on most "local" routes by NORTHERN, though they run 170s on some routes. Cross-country are similar, they run the Nottingham – Birmingham service alongside the Leeds – Birmingham trains. I suppose in an alternative universe, TPE running 170s replaced by NORTHERN running 170s might have happened and no-one would have noticed.
 
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