Defacing non concessionary oyster in protest?

[matt_world2004]

Hi are there any rules against defacing a non concessionary oyster card in protest?

 

[MikeWh]

Hi are there any rules against defacing a non concessionary oyster card in protest?

Not sure about defacing, but you're not allowed to dismantle the card.

 

[Deerfold]

Hi are there any rules against defacing a non concessionary oyster card in protest?

In protest about what?

 

[carriageline]

What a weird, weird post. Sounds a lot like throwing toys out of prams but had to ask permission first


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[mikeg]

Yes, there are rules against it. See TfL conditions of carriage 6.1.4:

All Oyster cards remain our property and must not be intentionally damaged, altered or tampered with in any way

Thus damaging it is against the conditions of carriage and since it is not yours intentionally damaging it could count as criminal damage.

 

[matt_world2004]

In protest about what?

Workino on a bus yester day and the level of abuse recieved from LU and arriva employees travelling as passengers. was terrible.

 

[ASharpe]

Are you talking about defacing your own card or a passenger's card?

 

[Clip]

Workino on a bus yester day and the level of abuse recieved from LU and arriva employees travelling as passengers. was terrible.

Well did you report them? Im sure your bus has CCTV so you could easily get that and forward to the relevant people to take action.

Plus I think the OP is on about defacing someone elses card..

 

[Deerfold]

Well did you report them? Im sure your bus has CCTV so you could easily get that and forward to the relevant people to take action.

And if they were using staff/bus operator Oyster cards it should be very easy to trace them so long as the OP reports it quickly (individual Oyster details are only associated with a particular bus and trip for a few days).

 

[Greenback]

Damaging or defacing someone else's Oyster is not a good way of making a protest. You would be far better advised to simply report unacceptable behaviour, otherwise you will probably end up in more trouble than the culprits.

 

[matt_world2004]

Damaging or defacing someone else's Oyster is not a good way of making a protest. You would be far better advised to simply report unacceptable behaviour, otherwise you will probably end up in more trouble than the culprits.

I was talking about defacing my own oyster card . I was just really mad last week at the behaviour of two employees in the service who were rude and abusive to me doing my job.They were behaving more rudely than any scool kid I have encountered.

 

[DelayRepay]

I was talking about defacing my own oyster card and it was because on the same bus journey I recieved abuse from an arriva bus driver and an member of London underground staff on the same journey. So if TFL employees cannot even show respect to their own collegues how must they behave to members of the public.Especially when they understand reasons behind bus curtailments and late running.

It is not acceptable for anyone to abuse transport staff, whether the abuser is a fellow staff member or not. This should be reported.

I am not sure how defacing your own Oyster card will help to remedy the situation though, won't it just cause you problems if you meet an RPI who isn't happy with what you've done (whether it is legal or not)?

 

[carriageline]

I was talking about defacing my own oyster card . I was just really mad last week at the behaviour of two employees in the service who were rude and abusive to me doing my job.They were behaving more rudely than any scool kid I have encountered.

So your upset with TfL, so want to ruin your Oyster card, how would that solve anything apart from being extremely childish? Sorry but that's frankly hilarious. You think TFL are going to really care about you ruining YOUR OWN Oyster card, and then have to go and get it replaced?

Sorry but all I can imagine is a kid screaming ripping up an Oyster card, then going back the next day to get another one, cap in hand [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Report whatever happened to TfL, and the staff will be dealt with appropriately. Damaging property that doesn't belong to you might not necessarily end well.


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[yorkie]

I'd be interested to hear what actually happened!

Also a protest aimed at TfL because of one bad member of LU staff doesn't seem proportionate (there are some terrible LU gateline staff out there, on wages of £30k+ who can be found blatantly flouting their job description and person spec) as the vast majority of LU staff do a great job and would not behave in the way you experienced, I'm sure!

As for the Arriva part of it, surely a protest would have to be aimed at DB?!

I agree with others that it would be better to report the matter, but I am curious to learn what the circumstances were! Was it a case of two people involved in the same incident or two separate incidents?

 

[6Gman]

I have 'defaced' my own, and my wife's, Oyster Cards by writing an initial on each corner so we know whose is whose. (They have slightly different concessions attached)

Hopefully that's allowed!

 

[Deerfold]

I'd be interested to hear what actually happened!

Also a protest aimed at TfL because of one bad member of LU staff doesn't seem proportionate (there are some terrible LU gateline staff out there, on wages of £30k+ who can be found blatantly flouting their job description and person spec) as the vast majority of LU staff do a great job and would not behave in the way you experienced, I'm sure!

Why do you so often quote the salaries of LU barrier staff? If some are not correctly enforcing restrictions they should be corrected/retrained/disciplined as appropriate. Are you simply highlighting that they get less than the average London wage?

 

[yorkie]

Why do you so often quote the salaries of LU barrier staff? If some are not correctly enforcing restrictions they should be corrected/retrained/disciplined as appropriate. Are you simply highlighting that they get less than the average London wage?

While the majority are good, there are far too many bad experiences of LU gateline staff and it is a cause for concern. I know some people have been given such a hard time by them on a regular basis, have made many complaints and yet nothing ever happens, despite their job description going on and on about what a good service they should provide. Sadly there appears to be little or no checks made to ensure that how they behave is in line with expectations. £30k is a large salary and much higher than equivalent positions at other TOCs, even in London.

 

[matt_world2004]

I'd be interested to hear what actually happened!

Also a protest aimed at TfL because of one bad member of LU staff doesn't seem proportionate (there are some terrible LU gateline staff out there, on wages of £30k+ who can be found blatantly flouting their job description and person spec) as the vast majority of LU staff do a great job and would not behave in the way you experienced, I'm sure!

As for the Arriva part of it, surely a protest would have to be aimed at DB?!

I agree with others that it would be better to report the matter, but I am curious to learn what the circumstances were! Was it a case of two people involved in the same incident or two separate incidents?

Two seperate incidents but on a bus who had a total number of passengers in excess of 250 over the trip and was the receiving end of passengers being transferred from other curtailed busses They were giving abuse because they had to transfer and/or the bus was full.

The plan was just to stick swasticas or some other offensive symbol on it. It would have still functioned as an oyster card. Not going to do it now I was just mad at the treatment by these two staff members at the time calmed down a bit now

 

[Deerfold]

The plan was just to stick swasticas or some other offensive symbol on it. It would have still functioned as an oyster card.

No that I'd recommend it anyway, but the swastika han't always been a symbol of hate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29644591

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

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For those not totally au fait with such matters, what do you mean by this part of your posting?

 

[carriageline]

For those not totally au fait with such matters, what do you mean by this part of your posting?

I am unsure if they displayed (I post on my phone) but they were crying with laughter emoticons.

Anyway, I was simply laughing at how ridiculous this whole thing is!


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[yorkie]

I am unsure if they displayed (I post on my phone) but they were crying with laughter emoticons.

Sorry but we ask that people only use the forum supported emoticons, as most people will not be able to see custom ones for particular devices.

 

[carriageline]

Sorry but we ask that people only use the forum supported emoticons, as most people will not be able to see custom ones for particular devices.

No, that's fair enough! I know it's a stupid idea to use them (as you say, only iphone users will see them) but I'm so use to using them in text and apps etc it slipped my mind!) will refrain in future


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[yorkie]

No, that's fair enough! I know it's a stupid idea to use them (as you say, only iphone users will see them) but I'm so use to using them in text and apps etc it slipped my mind!) will refrain in future

Thanks!

 

[bnm]

The plan was just to stick swasticas or some other offensive symbol on it.

And that would have achieved what as a protest? And what happens the next time your Oyster card is seen by a Jewish member of TfL staff?

Actually, go ahead. I look forward to reading in the Evening Standard about the racist guy sacked by TfL for having swastikas on his Oyster card.

 

[talldave]

As someone who regularly has posts deleted for wandering off topic, I have to question how this thread relates to fares??

 

[motherwell334]

As has been said previously, get this reported to the relevant people asap, as the CCTV and downloads from the on board ticket machine are only saved for several days.

The people you claim that were giving u abuse etc,wouldn't be long in reporting you if you did this to them.

Most TOC's and transport companies all have notices on their services stating that they wont tolerate any sort of abuse aimed at their staff, whether it be verbal or physical..

 

[matt_world2004]

And that would have achieved what as a protest? And what happens the next time your Oyster card is seen by a Jewish member of TfL staff?

Actually, go ahead. I look forward to reading in the Evening Standard about the racist guy sacked by TfL for having swastikas on his Oyster card.

Erm you do realise complaining about abuse is not racism right?

 

[Deerfold]

Erm you do realise complaining about abuse is not racism right?

I don't think anyone has suggested that it is.

But some may see putting swastikas on an Oystercard as being racist.