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Delay repay on split tickets; why not the full amount for the whole journey?

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CaptainHaddock

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I’m trying to claim delay repay for a journey on East Midlands Trains last month that was delayed by over an hour but EMR are refusing to refund me 50% of the costs of the whole journey on the grounds that I used split tickets and the first part of the journey was not delayed and the second part by less than an hour.

The journey in question is Sheffield to Cromer, changing at Norwich. I booked open returns from Sheffield to Nottingham, Nottingham to Peterborough and Peterborough to Cromer.

Initially I submitted a claim for the whole journey, together with a photo of all three return tickets but got a message back saying “We have been unable to approve your claim as the ticket you have supplied is not valid for the journey you have entered.

So I then submitted three separate claims, one for each return ticket. I have received 25% of the cost of the Nottingham to Peterborough ticket as the train was around 45 minutes late arriving into Peterborough and 50% of the cost of the Peterborough to Cromer ticket as the train arrived in Cromer over 60 minutes late.
My claim for the Sheffield to Nottingham ticket however has been rejected as EMR say “We have checked your journey and on this occasion, we could not find a delay of 15 minutes or more.”

EMR are correct that the Sheffield to Nottingham leg of the journey reached Nottingham on time. However the train then sat there for 40 minutes awaiting a driver, then lost more time on the journey before finally being cancelled at Ely. I then had to catch the train behind it, which meant reaching Cromer just over an hour late.

My argument is that even though the train arrived in Nottingham on time, this is irrelevant as my final destination was Cromer, not Nottingham. Unfortunately whatever AI Chatbot EMR use to handle delay repay claims doesn’t listen to reason and logic and my appeal was met with exactly the same response.

So, advice needed; when delayed on split tickets, are you only able to claim for the amount of delay at each separate split point, even though it’s obvious that my whole journey was over 60 minutes late?
 
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So, advice needed; when delayed on split tickets, are you only able to claim for the amount of delay at each separate split point, even though it’s obvious that my whole journey was over 60 minutes late?
No.

If they continue this, contact EMR directly (customer relations?) and send them the attached staff brief from Rail Delivery Group, reminding them of their obligation to pay up for the full journey.

Compensation for delays is usually paid when customers experience a delay on their full journey, regardless of the number of tickets held. When a delay results in a customer with multiple valid tickets arriving at their destination late, multiple tickets may be submitted with a claim for a delayed journey...

See: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...-of-number-of-tickets-held-mythbuster.198338/
 

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I think you’ve confused things by submitting three separate claims. You needed to appeal or resubmit the correct, single claim including all the tickets.
 

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I think you’ve confused things by submitting three separate claims. You needed to appeal or resubmit the correct, single claim including all the tickets.
Ah, yes, I had quickly glossed over that bit!
 

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I think you’ve confused things by submitting three separate claims. You needed to appeal or resubmit the correct, single claim including all the tickets.

Yes, that's what I did originally but as I said, EMR declined it, saying “We have been unable to approve your claim as the ticket you have supplied is not valid for the journey you have entered.
 
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Yes, thast's what I did originally but as I said, EMR declined it, saying “We have been unable to approve your claim as the ticket you have supplied is not valid for the journey you have entered.
That’s what an appeal is for. They were incorrect to decline it, although this is not uncommon for journeys made with more than one ticket.
 

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Yes, thast's what I did originally but as I said, EMR declined it, saying “We have been unable to approve your claim as the ticket you have supplied is not valid for the journey you have entered.
I would have appealed that decision, it's quite common for a cock-up like that to occur and in my experience (with TPE and Northern generally) when you point out the mistake they go on to pay out correctly after the appeal. Resubmitting three separate claims has I think had confused the situation.

You may now need to contact customer services directly ([email protected]) to get the situation resolved as there are now four claims floating around.
 

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I had exactly the same problem with EMR, but resubmitting it seemed to fix the problem as they then gave me the correct amount. :)
 

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I would have appealed that decision, it's quite common for a cock-up like that to occur and in my experience (with TPE and Northern generally) when you point out the mistake they go on to pay out correctly after the appeal. Resubmitting three separate claims has I think had confused the situation.
Yes, I was coming back from football at Bolton with splits from Horwich Parkway to Piccadilly and Piccadilly to Euston, first train was delayed causing me to miss my connection, claimed from Northern and was rejected as my journey from Horwich to Piccadilly didn’t meet the delay threshold. Had to appeal before they coughed up for the whole journey.
 

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Yes, I was coming back from football at Bolton with splits from Horwich Parkway to Piccadilly and Piccadilly to Euston, first train was delayed causing me to miss my connection, claimed from Northern and was rejected as my journey from Horwich to Piccadilly didn’t meet the delay threshold. Had to appeal before they coughed up for the whole journey.
Sounds about right. I'm not sure what software EMR use for delay repay but certainly Northern and TPEs is dreadful for this sort of thing. It does fine, in my experience, with journeys on one ticket, even potentially quite complex ones, but more than one ticket immediately foxes it.
 

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For some TOCs, the appeal process is submitting a new claim, with delay type "Appeal" or something.
 
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