Derailment causing disruption at Sheffield 09-10-2018

[twpsaesneg]

Currently the West side of Sheffield station is at a complete stand, with information passed on the train of a derailment within the station, platforms 1-5 blocked apparently.

Edited to add - A pair of Northern Pacers on the deck just off the end of Platform 1, leading axle totally off. D'Oh! Possibly 5P09 culprit train?

 

[coxxy]

Isn't that exactly where the tour de france 158 derailed a couple of years back??

 

[twpsaesneg]

142068 and 072 I think (I've not taken train numbers for a very long time!) are the culprit units - looks as if the trailing axle has split the points leading into the stabling sidings.

 

[M60lad]

Just checked National Rail and East Midlands Trains are missing out Sheffield for the time being on their services to/from Manchester and Liverpool which leaves just leaves the local Northern service and the hourly TPE Cleethorpes service for passengers from Sheffield wanting to travel to/from Sheffield from Manchester

 

[Crossover]

If Traksy is to be believed, a service train is currently in both p1 and p3 (the former has just left, 35L ish)

5P09 is on one of the middle roads - looks like a set that shunts back and forth to get into a particular platform (6 to TL to 1A)

 

[londonmidland]

Here is the culprit.

 

[basfordlad]

That was fun and games

Very luckily caught a late running London train! And the Norwich train had diverted away from Sheffield and was waiting for us at chesterfield in platform 3 arriving 15 minutes or so early

 

[ValleyLines142]

142068 and 072 I think (I've not taken train numbers for a very long time!) are the culprit units - looks as if the trailing axle has split the points leading into the stabling sidings.

Won't be 142072, that's an Arriva unit down here in S Wales.

 

[Skymonster]

Reported elsewhere as 068 and 086

 

[M60lad]

Latest reports are that East Midlands Trains have suspended all services between Derby and Sheffield for the time being

 

[KashmireHawker]

Going to be sticky for me to get back to Sheff tonight!

 

[NoOnesFool]

Oopsy daisy. Considering that the weight is balanced on 2 wheels per axle, sans 4, I wonder if any serious damage will be caused to the sleepers/ground, with having the weight concentrated into such a small surface area, whilst the recovery is undertaken.

 

[twpsaesneg]

Won't be 142072, that's an Arriva unit down here in S Wales.

Ah, I only got a vehicle number and was trying to backwork it!

 

[AM9]

Oopsy daisy. Considering that the weight is balanced on 2 wheels per axle, sans 4, I wonder if any serious damage will be caused to the sleepers/ground, with having the weight concentrated into such a small surface area, whilst the recovery is undertaken.

I doubt it, at 24.5 tonnes per two-car unit, and that's spread over four axles so less loading than trailer cars in almost every EMU in service

 

[sprinterguy]

I doubt it, at 24.5 tonnes per two-car unit, and that's spread over four axles so less loading than trailer cars in almost every EMU in service

No, a Pacer is 24.5/25 tonnes per vehicle: However that means that the axle weight of a Pacer is still no more than 12.5 tonnes, which isn't significantly more than the c.9.5 tonnes of a typical 23 metre Sprinter vehicle, and is actually less than, say, that of a class 185 unit, so based purely on axle weight I wouldn't expect any more damage than would have been caused by a bogied unit.

There has been some damage to signalling cables as a result of the derailment which is causing the majority of the disruption, but that's unlikely to be related to the type of rolling stock involved.

 

[atraindriver]

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[AWK]

Thanks ATD. Did wonder if something other than 5P09 was the culprit as that should be a 158, I'd have thought the units of 2N04 would be more likely?

 

[atraindriver]

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[AWK]

Ta, wasn't expecting a definitive answer, just trying to figure out what comes in to Sheffield as a pair of pacers around that time

 

[Tracked]

From colleagues at Sheffield I have the following, which they say is already in the public domain (so can be repeated here).

• Northern unit has derailed on catch points at Fish Dock.
  • Unable to use 1, 2 & 5 Platforms from the South.
• The derailed train has cut signalling cable, with the result that:
  • S79 & S80 signals black; and
  • S85 & S84 need to be passed at danger departing south.
• 5P09 is apparently not the culprit.

I came through from CHD at 15:20 and Platform 5 was in use from the South at that point, the derailed pacer was still there and jacked up

 

[dk1]

Cat A Spad by the sounds of it. I feel for the poor driver.

 

[talltim]

I believe it’s a train the starts at Sheffield, been past a couple of Pacers in the carriage wash siding ( the old flyunder) at about that time frequently recently

 

[Ploughman]

While caught up in the delay for this incident at Sheffield.
I was waiting for a train at Derby trying to get back to York.
Announcements were actually saying 2 incidents had taken place.
One in Sheffield and another that involved the Emergency Services, but this was cleared by 13.00 no location given.
My train eventually arrived about 10 mins late but needed to wait for the relief driver to have their statutory break.
eventually left about 20 mins late. No further problems back to York.

 

[atraindriver]

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[SideshowBob]

Cat A Spad by the sounds of it. I feel for the poor driver.

What's a "Cat A" SPAD, please?

I know what a SPAD is, but I didn't know they were categorised, nor in what way.

 

[atraindriver]

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[ComUtoR]

What's a "Cat A" SPAD, please?

They kinda don't really exist or at least shouldn't. All SPADS were reclassified as 'operational incidents' and the new term SPAR was introduced. However, in true railway fashion the TOCs still used the term SPAD and its been kept for ease of understanding and usage

I know what a SPAD is, but I didn't know they were categorized, nor in what way.

SPADs were always categorized as A, B, C, D with Cat A being where the Driver receives the correct indication up to the signal. eg' 2 Yellow, Single Yellow, Red. There is no fault with the signal system and no fault with the unit and therefore is Driver error. There is also a second rating that is less known and that is a number, there is again a further rating which is even less known.

What should happen is that the incident treated as an operating incident and then investigated. If proven to be Driver error then it goes down as a Category A SPAD

As an addendum a SPAD could be fully categorized as A1YB21 which would not be good.

 

[sprinterguy]

Ta, wasn't expecting a definitive answer, just trying to figure out what comes in to Sheffield as a pair of pacers around that time

It was a shunt move from the wash road to the fish dock sidings.

 

[Harry26]

It was 142 086

 

[Harry26]

Oh, just an afterthought, I’ve watched Sheffield station for a long time but never seen Northern 142 030 or 142 039 - anyone any idea where they operate ??