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DfT launch consultation : Strategic plan for rail

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Invitation for views within and beyond rail sector

This call for evidence, launched by the Great British Railways Transition Team, seeks responses from all those with an interest in the long-term future of the railway. We are inviting views from within and beyond the rail sector, to inform the development of a whole industry strategic plan, the first 30-year strategy.

The Secretary of State for Transport commissioned the whole industry strategic plan. It will set 5 long-term objectives for the railway, focusing on:

  • meeting customers’ needs
  • delivering financial sustainability
  • contributing to long-term economic growth
  • levelling up and connectivity
  • delivering environmental sustainability


Link to Consultation


closing date 4th February 2022
 
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Invitation for views within and beyond rail sector




Link to Consultation


closing date 4th February 2022
Surely this is the sort of thing that would have contributed to the IRP....
 

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I'm pretty sure this is attempting to set post covid service levels, which are almost certainly going to be lower than December 2019.
 

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Is the likely outcome, what service can run with 2019 (maybe indexed for inflation) level of subsidy. So the key is to offer services which maximise revenue from travel patterns which will exist post covid, while minimising costs, particularly those focused on service provision for pre covid demands.

Opportunities
Evening & Weekend Services (rail may not be cheaper than the car, but you can have a beer)
10 Journey tickets rather than weekly. Or with Oyster type systems maybe a discount for taking a given number of journeys in a month rather than unlimited travel within a month.
Automate what can be automated, use staff for customer service. So fewer ticket windows, but a member of staff on the concourse or platform to advise and direct.

Challenges
Huge fixed costs on track and rolling stock.
Workforce (at least perceived as) resistant to change. How to convince staff that there is still a role in the railways for them, just maybe a different one.
Cost, passengers are still likely to compare marginal cost of petrol v rail, unless they live in major city where having a car is less essential. Rail usually costs more when multiple people travelling. Government increase to Fuel Duty or Road Pricing politically difficult.
 

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I don't think this link has been posted yet. Apologies if it has. It's to a document findable via one of the previous links. The second half of the document contains six specific questions.

 

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One aspect of "meeting customer needs" to address is the ever-present shortage of stock where there is high demand. A notable part of this is throwing away older vehicles on some political diktat, without thought on what will replace them or how they will be funded. Mark 1/2 stock, Pacers, anything without a toilet the size of half a carriage, have all been prematurely discarded to political whoops, only to find that there's nothing to replace the capacity. Happens again and again.

Meanwhile it seems that a new build rolling stock decision has to forecast, accurately, just what the demand will be for the next 35 years on a particular route, because each one now has its stock separately procured, incompatible with what has gone before or since. The Cross Country Voyagers were far too small from the off in 2001. 20 years on nothing has been done about it, because as soon as such becomes apparent it takes so long to decide to do anything that it no longer meets investment criteria for adding to the fleet, plus the manufacturer has craftily scrapped all the jigs and some regulation or other (emissions, crashworthiness, you name it) has changed so you can't have any more compatible ones anyway. One look at competing modes, air, coach, etc, even people's cars, shows that their vehicles are almost always being used on different services, routes and timetables from that when they were originally ordered. Requirements change continually; standard, adaptable designs are required.
 

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I look forward to bold and imaginative contributions to the consultation. Hopefully people will be willing to sacrifice a few sacred cows (cough - fares reform). And there should be number-based headline targets like so many miles of electrification or new railway constructed per year for the duration of the plan.

As for those who think: "stakeholders need to be mindful of the current economic situation and moderate their expectations accordingly", I say nonsense. It is not the job of rail industry and advocates to police their own responses because there is a possibility it might be out of touch with wider public opinion (which even experts in don't always forecast correctly).

After the second world war the country was bankrupt and petrol was rationed, yet the motoring lobby managed to get the first motorways under construction in the 1950s. If many of our forum's experts were in charge of the motoring lobby back then they might have been hesitant even to ask for a couple of traffic roundabouts and some yellow lines on busy sections of street.
 

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Fares reform needs to feature strongly. A genuine simplification could provide for significant cost savings in enabling ticket purchase and exchange to move to entirely self-service with no intervention required.
 

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Fares reform needs to feature strongly. A genuine simplification could provide for significant cost savings in enabling ticket purchase and exchange to move to entirely self-service with no intervention required.
Completely agree with that ......it's an absolute nonsense the way we retail out tickets at the moment. I wouldn't like to guess just how many fares are in

database, but squillions of them would be my guess
 

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The Strategic Plan launch document <https://gbrtt.co.uk/call-for-evidence-launch-document/> makes it clear that three time periods are being considered:
  • The short term: the five-year period from delivery of the Strategic Plan in 2022.
  • The medium term: the next ten years, which is the timeframe in which we expect to have moderate levels of certainty in our project planning and sequencing.
  • The long term: the thirty years up to 2052, which are highly uncertain and unpredictable, making it all the more important that the rail system is prepared for a number of different scenarios that will be able to adapt to the challenges that the future holds.
The short term is manageable, the medium term less so and the long term is simply fiction as the launch document suggests. So much can change in 30 years — technically, socially, financially, politically — that it is, frankly, fortune telling.

So, my take on the whole thing is that the Williams-Shapps report was a smoke screen — following the civil service’s unwritten rule of ‘do not embarrass the Minister’ — to try to deflect attention from the complete horlicks that the DfT and Treasury has made of franchising since the days of the Strategic Rail Authority by demanding of each franchisee:
  • a given financial return
  • a defined service level and making it a contractual matter
  • controlling the fares which may be offered.
It is possible to define two of these three as a requirement if the franchisee is allowed to manage the other one. Specifying all three will lead to bankruptcy as was shown in a similar case in California where the energy supplier, Pacific Gas and Electric, was also hog-tied and folded.

To compound the misery, the Government also agreed/specified infrastructure changes which were not necessarily aligned to franchise specifications or what the train operators needed. The GW electrification specification and the East Coast power upgrades being examples.

And all of this tight control has not prevented the cost runaway which was apparent even before Covid.

The politicians and civil servants producing the Williams-Shapps plan have made the classic mistake of assuming that the root of the problems lie in the structure of the organisation. It doesn’t, the root of the problems lie in the confused and incompatible incentives placed before the management. If these incentives are unclear or mutually incompatible it will all end in tears.

This is where getting the aims or incentives for the new situation right is vital. The structure of the organisation should not be incompatible with the incentives.

So the question remains, what should the aims/incentives of GBR be?
  • To operate within an annual financing limit of £n-billion?
  • To operate within an annual financing limit of £n-billion decreasing by x% per year?
  • To operate with no funding from Government?
  • To operate so that fare and fee income covers day-to-day costs?
  • To maintain current fare and fee income?
  • To continue to operate the same train service?
  • To make it possible to travel by train to any settlement with more than, say, 12,000 inhabitants?
  • Increase the modal share of rail travel by m% in five years?
  • To ensure that everyone gets a seat regardless of route or time of day?
  • To ensure that anyone arriving with a bicycle can put in on a train?
  • Level boarding everywhere?
  • To operate without fossil fuels?
  • Etc.
  • Etc.
You, as the Government can select one, and one only, of the above and accept the financial and political fall-out. How the aim is achieved must be left to the direction and management of GBR.

Which will it be?
 

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Fares reform needs to feature strongly. A genuine simplification could provide for significant cost savings in enabling ticket purchase and exchange to move to entirely self-service with no intervention required.
Potentially controversial, for non TFL/PTE routes abolish Off Peak Tickets.

Introduce Railcards for all, basic one at £25 gets you 10% off, £250 gets you 33% off. Creates a 'sunk cost' into the railway as with motoring, encouraging frequent use.

So choice is a flexible anytime ticket, all available one way for half current return fare.

Or Advance Purchase tickets which are available at off peak times, but maybe limit to 3 rates per route, Priced at the following % of anytime fare:
10% aimed at filling unused capacity
25% aimed at leisure travellers
50% aimed at current off peak ticket buyers, upgradable to open at differential price if you miss your train or want to catch an earlier one.
 

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the root of the problems lie in the confused and incompatible incentives placed before the management. If these incentives are unclear or mutually incompatible it will all end in tears

Agreed - and a lot of the things that people on here ask for are mutually incompatible (e.g. if you want to play the "green" card then you have to accept that there are some services where it'd be "greener" to put each passenger in a separate taxi than have a DMU chugging along at a couple of miles to the gallon)

We all want "simplification" of fares and we also want more "choice"

It's always easier to kick the can down the road than take the tough medicine that such reforms may entail

Some goals are certainly laudable (e.g. I'd be much more likely to cycle out into the Peak District if I could guarantee getting my bike on a train back to Sheffield) but pretty much impossible to deliver (unless you have compulsory reservation for both passengers and bikes)
 

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After the second world war the country was bankrupt and petrol was rationed, yet the motoring lobby managed to get the first motorways under construction in the 1950s. If many of our forum's experts were in charge of the motoring lobby back then they might have been hesitant even to ask for a couple of traffic roundabouts and some yellow lines on busy sections of street.
The huge improvement in our economic situation in the 1950s was mainly achieved by close to full employment with far more married women working than had been the case prior to WW2 plus a big increase in consumer expenditure on things like houses, cars and television sets. This financed an increase in Government expenditure which further strengthened the economy.

The first section of motorway in this country was the Preston bypass in the late 1950s. It was constructed in response to growing demand, not because of machinations by "the motoring lobby" and it remains a very busy stretch of road.
 

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The first section of motorway in this country was the Preston bypass in the late 1950s. It was constructed in response to growing demand, not because of machinations by "the motoring lobby" and it remains a very busy stretch of road.
indeed and it is now 4 lanes in each direction with other multiple improvements too. In fairness though and using this specific location the railway has had much improvement too with electrification Weaver Jct to Glasgow through Preston and Manchester to Blackpool and south to Liverpool.
 

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indeed and it is now 4 lanes in each direction with other multiple improvements too. In fairness though and using this specific location the railway has had much improvement too with electrification Weaver Jct to Glasgow through Preston and Manchester to Blackpool and south to Liverpool.
Absolutely; and of course both trunk road and trunk rail investment are subject to close scrutiny of the cost/benefit ratio without the involvement of an amorphous lobby group.
 
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