Oscar46016
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Are there any left - I know there used to be some great diesel engines in germany with Maybach engines similar to Westerns - are there any left or any others of note?
Ah, the good old "Rabbits!"There are still the 218s in Germany.
Denmark also still has local services with DSB ME locos with double deck coaches. However, they will soon be replaced by new (electric) Vectron locos. The diesel hauled trains can mostly be found on services from Østerport to Holbæk, Nykøbing and Kalundborg. They also run during the weekend, but noticably less services than on weekdays.
I guess it depends on how you define many, but there are some loco hauled trains Trondheim-Bodø (other trains on the line are DMUs). Loco hauled passenger trains south of Trondheim are electric.Many long-distance services in Norway are hauled by diesel locos too: https://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/razeni.php?rok=2021&lok=NOR+El18*&najit=Hledat and https://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/razeni.php?rok=2021&lok=NOR+Di4*&najit=Hledat
Whoops, the El18 locos are electric of course! I changed my post accordingly, thanks for pointing it out.I guess it depends on how you define many, but there are some loco hauled trains Trondheim-Bodø (other trains on the line are DMUs). Loco hauled passenger trains south of Trondheim are electric.
And in Slovakia.I think there are still some CD 754 workings in Czech Republic, if that counts.
The last EB is supposed to be delivered in the summer of 2022, so there is unlikely to be much work for the ME after that. However, it is likely that DSB will not be too quick to completely withdraw them: the IC4 saga has left deep scars. A fourth ME has just been sold to Nordic Re-Finance in Sweden and four more are to follow in the second quarter of this year. Four more will follow in the third quarter and the company is looking at buying all twenty remaining locos.There should still be a year or two of ME haules trains in Denmark before they are fully replaced by the new EBs. If I'm not mistaken the prepandemic plan was to phase out the last ME in 2023.
I guess it depends on how you define many, but there are some loco hauled trains Trondheim-Bodø (other trains on the line are DMUs). Loco hauled passenger trains south of Trondheim are electric.
In addition, there are some diesel hauled trains in Finland.
There’s a bit of a difference between a new, unique design that the IC4s were and buying locos of a design that is a standard product which has been in production for several years and that there are the best part of 1,000 already built.The last EB is supposed to be delivered in the summer of 2022, so there is unlikely to be much work for the ME after that. However, it is likely that DSB will not be too quick to completely withdraw them: the IC4 saga has left deep scars.
The last EB is supposed to be delivered in the summer of 2022, so there is unlikely to be much work for the ME after that. However, it is likely that DSB will not be too quick to completely withdraw them: the IC4 saga has left deep scars. A fourth ME has just been sold to Nordic Re-Finance in Sweden and four more are to follow in the second quarter of this year. Four more will follow in the third quarter and the company is looking at buying all twenty remaining locos.
Quite so, but the reputational damage to DSB of the IC4 was enormous. Even with a proven product, something might just, just go wrong and they cannot afford even the tiniest chance of that.There’s a bit of a difference between a new, unique design that the IC4s were and buying locos of a design that is a standard product which has been in production for several years and that there are the best part of 1,000 already built.
Good shout re the Alex 223's.And in Slovakia.
Both ČD and ZSSK also have some re-engined "Goggles" (of Class 750.7 and 757 respectively) for passenger work.
In Germany there are also the Alex workings to Hof and Prague from Munich that use Siemens built diesel locos of class 223 beyond Regensburg (Munich-Regensburg is electrically hauled by Class 183 locos).
Portugal is still using 1400s, think Porto may be the area in which they run. France still has a couple of 67400 turns around Strasbourg. Slovenia has a 644/664 turn on the Autovlak, Croatia still uses 2044s on turns to Osijek and overnight trains to Split. If happy to venture into more Eastern countries then Hungary still uses 418s in reasonable numbers, Bulgaria has a few diagrams, Levski a reasonable bet and the narrow gauge line from Septemvri, Romania also has many diesel hauled trains.
Ok, the post said Western Europe so as the former Communist countries generally were referred to as Eastern Europe irrespective of actual geographical location I used that term. I believe Wien to Bratislava is still OEBB 2016s.I personally call Hungary 'Central Europe' myself.
I believe there's still the Wien-Marchegg-Bratislava route run by diesels, but that line is currently being wired.
AFAIK still diesel for the first bit from the Portugese border on the Spanish side - that is, if and when it resumes.What about the night train between Irun and Lisbon ? It was diesel hauled for the whole spanish part of the trip when I used it but that was many years ago. Is it wholly under wires now ?
Yes...very true. RENFE class 334s (class 67 lookalikes with Co-Co bogies) work the Madrid-Algeciras Talgo services from/to Antequera Santa Ana.I think RENFE may still have quite few of their trains hauled by diesel locos or electric power cars, with coaches containing diesel generators coupled together and used on unnelectrified routes , served by Talgo sets :
Trains to / from Murcia , Carthagena and also trains to Cantabria / Asturias from other parts of Spain .
I had look for these, are they currently not running or do they run under IR banner? Looking at DB site this is all that came up?Yes...very true. RENFE class 334s (class 67 lookalikes with Co-Co bogies) work the Madrid-Algeciras Talgo services from/to Antequera Santa Ana.
Just had a quick look for tomorrow....one direct ATR train each way:I had look for these, are they currently not running or do they run under IR banner? Looking at DB site this is all that came up?
Ok, thanks. Did see that train but thought it would have been one of the bi-mode high speed trains. Nice to be wrong. Not sure be going out there soon with current restrictions but is one to do. How long these expected to last? Any other routes with diesel traction in Spain, is Cartagena still diesel?Just had a quick look for tomorrow....one direct ATR train each way:
15 03 Algeciras-Madrid Atocha 20 35 and 15 05 Madrid Atocha-Algeciras 20 38. Should be electric-hauled over the high speed line by a standard gauge loco (252 class?) to Antequera and then through the gauge changer and on to Ronda and Algeciras behind a 334 (and vice-versa).
TBH, it may be now. Last time we went to Ronda on it was four years ago. I thought the ATR designation meant a hauled TALGO train. Our friends in Ronda have now moved back to the UK in the wake of Brexit. Can the bi-mode high speed trains change gauge? Perhpas someone with more knowledge than me of Spanish railways could elucidate?Ok, thanks. Did see that train but thought it would have been one of the bi-mode high speed trains. Nice to be wrong. Not sure be going out there soon with current restrictions but is one to do. How long these expected to last? Any other routes with diesel traction in Spain, is Cartagena still diesel?
Ok, thanks for info anyway. Spain is one country I've where I've never had a train. Not easiest place to get around with all the mandatory reservations. Was just a potential idea for a summer visit if we're allowed to go!!!TBH, it may be now. Last time we went to Ronda on it was four years ago. I thought the ATR designation meant a hauled TALGO train. Our friends in Ronda have now moved back to the UK in the wake of Brexit. Can the bi-mode high speed trains change gauge? Perhpas someone with more knowledge than me of Spanish railways could elucidate?