Difference between compartment and non-compartment coaches

[Stephen Lee]

PKP Intercity launches tender for 300 long-distance coaches

PKP Intercity launched the tender for the acquisition of up to 300 new long-distance coaches including options for further vehicles.

www.railwaypro.com

PKP Intercity plans to acquire first and second class coaches designed in seven compartment configurations designed for various groups of travellers:

• 38 1st class compartment cars with a separated non-compartment section;
• 40 2nd class compartment coaches;
• 80 2nd class non-compartment cars;
• 38 2nd class compartment carriages with places for people with disabilities;
• ;
• 26 day and night carriages, which will ensure comfortable journeys at night;
• 38 restaurant cars designed to offer a more intimate interior

If the right of option is exercised, PKP Intercity will order from 13 to 40 units for each of the type of carriage which reaching 450 new coaches. The delivery of the first units is expected to start in 2025.

PKP Intercity announces bidders in its largest tender for passenger coaches

Newag and FPS have submitted bids for the supply of 300 passenger coaches for PKP Intercity. Read more.

rollingstockworld.com

PKP Intercity expected offers for seven lots. Newag has applied for the supply of 80 second-class sitting coaches and 40 couchette coaches. FPS is ready to deliver 38 dining, 26 sleeping, and 38 first-class couchette coaches. Both manufacturers offered to supply 38 coaches with seats for people with limited mobility and 40 second-class non-couchette coaches.

The “38 1st class compartment cars with a separated non-compartment section” and “40 2nd class compartment coaches” turns out to be couchette coaches while the “80 2nd class non-compartment cars” and “40 2nd class non-compartment carriages with places for bicycles” turns out to be seating coaches.
Just to ask if compartment coaches of like ÖBB/SBB/DB can be used as couchettes in night trains?

 

[Austriantrain]

Just to ask if compartment coaches of like ÖBB/SBB/DB can be used as couchettes in night trains?

You can’t.

Although old-fashioned compartment coaches used to be quite popular on night trains, since if they were not full, you could pull out the seats and create a kind of bed (not sure if there is still enough spare capacity nowadays to make this realistic).

On the other hand, it’s absolutely not unheard of that couchettes get used as seating cars on day trains.

 

[Stephen Lee]

You can’t.

Although old-fashioned compartment coaches used to be quite popular on night trains, since if they were not full, you could pull out the seats and create a kind of bed (not sure if there is still enough spare capacity nowadays to make this realistic).

On the other hand, it’s absolutely not unheard of that couchettes get used as seating cars on day trains.

Okay thanks

 

[30907]

You can’t.

Although old-fashioned compartment coaches used to be quite popular on night trains, since if they were not full, you could pull out the seats and create a kind of bed (not sure if there is still enough spare capacity nowadays to make this realistic).

You could "sleep" only 3 people that way, couchettes can take up to 6.

 

[The exile]

You could "sleep" only 3 people that way, couchettes can take up to 6.

As long as you knew each other and you’d all got reasonably clean socks on, 5 just about worked!

 

[stuu]

Slightly surprised they want to order new compartment coaches. There can't have been many orders for those for years

 

[Bletchleyite]

Slightly surprised they want to order new compartment coaches. There can't have been many orders for those for years

It's noted above that they are couchettes.

 

[Robski_]

The “38 1st class compartment cars with a separated non-compartment section” and “40 2nd class compartment coaches” turns out to be couchette coaches

To my understanding, those are not couchettes. They are compartment coaches with seats only - only 26 couchettes ("day-night carriages") are planned to be ordered, according to this source (in Polish).

Slightly surprised they want to order new compartment coaches. There can't have been many orders for those for years

PKP Intercity has regularly ordered them (new and refurbishments).

 

[Stephen Lee]

To my understanding, those are not couchettes. They are compartment coaches with seats only - only 26 couchettes ("day-night carriages") are planned to be ordered, according to this source (in Polish).

PKP Intercity has regularly ordered them (new and refurbishments).

Looks like PKPIC doesn’t have enough night train coaches

 

[stuu]

PKP Intercity launches tender for 300 long-distance coaches

PKP Intercity launched the tender for the acquisition of up to 300 new long-distance coaches including options for further vehicles.

www.railwaypro.com

PKP Intercity announces bidders in its largest tender for passenger coaches

Newag and FPS have submitted bids for the supply of 300 passenger coaches for PKP Intercity. Read more.

rollingstockworld.com

The “38 1st class compartment cars with a separated non-compartment section” and “40 2nd class compartment coaches” turns out to be couchette coaches while the “80 2nd class non-compartment cars” and “40 2nd class non-compartment carriages with places for bicycles” turns out to be seating coaches.
Just to ask if compartment coaches of like ÖBB/SBB/DB can be used as couchettes in night trains?

Those aggregating sites often get things very wrong, I assume they are at least partly AI. The original PKP press release matches the Railway Pro site, so they definitely are tendering for 38 1st and 40 2nd class compartment coaches. See here.

 

[Stephen Lee]

PKP Intercity has regularly ordered them (new and refurbishments).

Aren’t the coaches to be refurbished supposed to be used as “Ersatzzug”?

Looks like PKPIC doesn’t have enough night train coaches

Should PKPIC hire sleeping coaches from BTEX/RDC to cover lackage of night train coaches?

 

[Robski_]

Looks like PKPIC doesn’t have enough night train coaches

Should PKPIC hire sleeping coaches from BTEX/RDC to cover lackage of night train coaches?

They don't have a shortage of sleeper stock.

Aren’t the coaches to be refurbished supposed to be used as “Ersatzzug”?

No? Refurbished coaches form part of the regular PKPIC fleet.

 

[StephenHunter]

Should PKPIC hire sleeping coaches from BTEX/RDC to cover lackage of night train coaches?

I think they'll all spoken for ATM.