Disruption due to an issue at Dawlish (18/10)

[RGM654]

Never mind tomorrow, what about Dawlish today? https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P75367/2023-10-18/detailed#allox_id=0
Reportedly a victim of the sea. Anyone know more? Is the new sea wall already proving inadequate?

 

[mralexn]

The "Dawlish Proof" Class 800's aren't faring very well today.

1C55 has failed at Teignmouth after being hit by a wave and 1A77 has failed at Exeter after being hit by a wave.

 

[mike57]

According to weather station data winds are not excessive, but waves could be the issue

 

[LAX54]

Mods please move elsewhere if more appropriate.

Never mind tomorrow, what about Dawlish today? https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P75367/2023-10-18/detailed#allox_id=0
Reportedly a victim of the sea. Anyone know more? Is the new sea wall already proving inadequate?

1A77 disabled at Exeter SD's Platform 5
1C55 disabled at Teignmouth in the Down Platform
struck by waves, did the HST's suffer similar issues ?

 

[Bletchleyite]

1A77 disabled at Exeter SD's Platform 5
1C55 disabled at Teignmouth in the Down Platform
struck by waves, did the HST's suffer similar issues ?

HSTs not so much, but Voyagers have done.

Reportedly a victim of the sea. Anyone know more? Is the new sea wall already proving inadequate?

It's not designed to stop the sea washing over the line, just to stop it falling down. But I have observed that the little decorative metal fences on top are easily damaged by the sea washing up rocks, loads of them are damaged.

 

[43055]

The "Dawlish Proof" Class 800's aren't faring very well today.

1C55 has failed at Teignmouth after being hit by a wave and 1A77 has failed at Exeter after being hit by a wave.

And two last night 1C92 at Newton Abbot and 2C87 at Dawlish.

 

[Morayshire]

Met Office have just upgraded the weather warning for eastern Scotland to red for rain impacts. Also now amber wind warning over the same area. Looks like a significant event. Looking at the national rail website looks like all trains between Dundee and Aberdeen are cancelled, and other significat impacts seem likely.

LNER have also cancelled all services north of Edinburgh tomorrow and Friday. Limited services north of Edinburgh today as well

 

[snookertam]

Would be surprised if anything runs north of Perth and Dundee tomorrow and Friday.

 

[HOOVER29]

Mods please move elsewhere if more appropriate.

Never mind tomorrow, what about Dawlish today? https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P75367/2023-10-18/detailed#allox_id=0
Reportedly a victim of the sea. Anyone know more? Is the new sea wall already proving inadequate?

Looking at Dawlish webcams the sea is choppy but it’s the spray coming over the wall

 

[Signal Head]

1A77 disabled at Exeter SD's Platform 5
1C55 disabled at Teignmouth in the Down Platform
struck by waves, did the HST's suffer similar issues ?

There is/was another 8xx in front of 1C55, code 5Z99. A '2Z99' has come bang road from Newton apparently to collect it. I passed this a while ago on 1S53 (XC Plymouth-Edinburgh). Two chaps in high viz walking west from the front unit, presumably to conduct 2Z99 onto the failure

Sea is rough at Dawlish and Teignmouth but not near coming over the wall (of course may have been worse earlier depending on tides).

 

[DelW]

Met Office have just upgraded the weather warning for eastern Scotland to red for rain impacts. Also now amber wind warning over the same area. Looks like a significant event. Looking at the national rail website looks like all trains between Dundee and Aberdeen are cancelled, and other significat impacts seem likely.

Would be surprised if anything runs north of Perth and Dundee tomorrow and Friday.

This could be a good test of the drainage system at Carmont, assuming that it has now been rebuilt in accordance with the original design rather than Carillion's unofficially modified (allegedly) version.

 

[josh-j]

5Z99, on Traksy at least, came through platform 2 at Teignmouth from Dawlish way under a different Z99 headcode then stopped in front of 1C55. I wondered if it was 1A77 redesignated or something.

Seems a lot of disruption in the area right now.

 

[Signal Head]

5Z99, on Traksy at least, came through platform 2 at Teignmouth from under a different Z99 headcode from Dawlish way then stopped in front of 1C55. I wondered if it was 1A77 redesignated or something.

Seems a lot of disruption in the area right now.

Should have said, it was showing as 1Z99 when I first saw it on OTT. I didn't see where it came from and assumed it had been in front of 1C55 to begin with.

[(edit) RTT shows 1A77 getting as far as Reading, 105 late, and cancelled from there.]

5Z99 moved one section towards Newton but hasn't moved further for a while so may be stationary again.

A bit chaotic at Exeter - Down traffic was being turned back at the Warren, but there's a double Voyager (1V50 XC to Plymouth) parked in Platform 6, looked empty so presumably going nowhere. Don't know what they've done with the passengers!

 

[Amlag]

The shambles of a train service between Exeter and N.Abbot provided during yesterday 17 Oct and today 18 Oct FORECASTED unusually strong 40-45 mph winds coming from the East/ SE for about 24 hours and resultant waves pounding the sea wall, does make one realise if the £ zillions in the current works by NR» and its armies of Contractors and Sub contractors had not been spent then there is no doubt significant damage would likely have ensued. Nevertheless I don’t believe NR Media speak that these works will be suitable and robust for the coming 100 years. Yet the new IET fleet and the XC Voyagers can still NOT reliably cope with ingress of sea water and what modifications have been done continue to be proved futile. Three or four IETS as of today have failed in the current bad weather due sea water ingress. Arguably a contingency emergency service between Exeter and N.Abbot needs to be provided at and either side of High tides in these exceptional storm conditions by what trains are currently deemed reliable …urrh the surviving Castle class HSTs▸ and possibly some of the older local diesel units. Perhaps it’s time for another look at one of the least (almost Nil) corroded steel railway structures in the South West at Meldon and the now reduced gap between Meldon and Tavistock to reopen.

 

[liamf656]

5Z99 moved one section towards Newton but hasn't moved further for a while so may be stationary again.

3Z99 has now departed to assist 1C55. Believe they are still struggling to get 5Z99 (the first two rescue units) going

 

[michael74]

Thunderbird 1 sent to rescue the stranded IET at Teignmouth, broke down preventing Bi Directional running. Thunderbird 2 unable to rescue Thunderbird 1 so Thunderbird 3 now being sent to have a go.......

 

[sh24]

I am so glad to be travelling back from Plymouth to London tomorrow morning. Tonight looks like a farce par excellence.

 

[josh-j]

So the first rescue train broke down while trying to do the rescue? (and wasn't there another one there as well, so two failed rescue attempts?) Quite amusing but not for people wanting to travel I suppose! I don't doubt everyone's been doing their best in the circumstances, but at what point does it become good value to build a big tunnel over the whole section to stop the salt water?

 

[michael74]

Thunderbird 1& 2 on the move towards Plymouth is it now a 9+5? Thunderbird 3 just passed Dawlish on the Down to rescue the original stranded IET.

 

[AJP62]

Line through Macclesfield closed all day due to debris in the overhead lines between 'Stoke and Stockport' but presumably Kidsgrove and Cheadle Hulme looking at alternative options offered

 

[liamf656]

Thunderbird 1& 2 on the move towards Plymouth is it now a 9+5?

800309/802010

 

[Amlag]

Thunderbird 1& 2 on the move towards Plymouth is it now a 9+5? Thunderbird 3 just passed Dawlish on the Down to rescue the original stranded IET.

In over 50 years of railway operations I have never known a failed train to require three different rescue attempts/locos.
GW MD Hopwood and Co. must be absolutely livid with HITACHI the dreaded IET Builders, suppliers and service contract providers.

 

[Signal Head]

Thunderbird 1 sent to rescue the stranded IET at Teignmouth, broke down preventing Bi Directional running. Thunderbird 2 unable to rescue Thunderbird 1 so Thunderbird 3 now being sent to have a go.......

Thought it was a bit odd sending a Class 2 bang road to rescue something! 5Z is now 2Z again and seems to have reached Newton. There was a 2Z99 in the platform as I passed through but I didn't see what it was or realise its purpose at the time.

So, one train failure at the root of the Down Devon & Cornwall main line being unavailable essentially all day. That's a poor show and I hope and presume it will be suitably investigated.

 

[michael74]

Thought it was a bit odd sending a Class 2 bang road to rescue something! 5Z is now 2Z again and seems to have reached Newton. There was a 2Z99 in the platform as I passed through but I didn't see what it was or realise its purpose at the time.

So, one train failure at the root of the Down Devon & Cornwall main line being unavailable essentially all day. That's a poor show and I hope and presume it will be suitably investigated.

The panel were just assigning consecutive numbers to the *Z99 headcode it wasn't anything to do with the class, a good job they stopped at 3, Thunderbird 4 is submarine .....

 

[Signal Head]

The panel were just assigning consecutive numbers to the *Z99 headcode it wasn't anything to do with the class, a good job they stopped at 3, Thunderbird 4 is submarine .....

Yes, I'd realised that from your previous post, hence my comment re: Class 2.

And Thunderbird 5 is out in space, which is where GWR might well be considering sending the IETs.

Time ask Mexico if we can have those HSTs back?

 

[greyman42]

In over 50 years of railway operations I have never known a failed train to require three different rescue attempts/locos.
GW MD Hopwood and Co. must be absolutely livid with HITACHI the dreaded IET Builders, suppliers and service contract providers.

What were they using as Thunderbirds?

 

[michael74]

So 3Z99 is in Teignmouth on the down with the failed unit on the country end...... I assume they are going to propel past the Teignmouth down crossover and then right road up to either North Pole or another run around later to take it to Plymouth?

What were they using as Thunderbirds?

IETs

Yes, I'd realised that from your previous post, hence my comment re: Class 2.

Sorry missed that bit.

 

[greyman42]

IETs

Say no more. A 37 would have done the job, no bother.

 

[VP185]

In over 50 years of railway operations I have never known a failed train to require three different rescue attempts/locos.
GW MD Hopwood and Co. must be absolutely livid with HITACHI the dreaded IET Builders, suppliers and service contract providers.

This isn’t down to Hitachi. GWR insisted on still running trains over the seawall despite yesterdays failures, it’s total incompetence on the part of GWR

 

[800001]

This isn’t down to Hitachi. GWR insisted on still running trains over the seawall despite yesterdays failures, it’s total incompetence on the part of GWR

The 802s were/are supposedly ‘Dawlish proof’, how much sea spray/waves can they realistically take without them failing?