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Dive-under section of track north of Milton Keynes

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NightatLaira

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It's somewhere just north of Wolverton, puzzled me for years.

A section of track just to the right of main 4 lines that seems to descend to a depth below view level and then appears to rise up again until it's level with the rest of the tracks.

Is there some sort of structure in the sump that can't be seen? What is this there for? Is it a route into Wolverton carriage works? What is it? And why was it built?
 
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That's the fly-under which leads to the long road past

The wasteland (former yard)
The Electrolux warehouse (former paint shop, plus new building after two of the original paint shops burnt down in 99)
Stratford Road bridge
Wolverton Park (Triangle Building and Royal Train Shed)
Tescos (site of the oldest Works buildings, demolished in 91-93)
The derelict sawmill and smithy
Then finally into Wolverton Works
 

NightatLaira

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So is there a set of points down there? And are the works accessible for both north and southbound traffic?

I presume they're not electrified?
 

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Hi,

Yes it's still in use, a mate of mine is the travelling shunter who assists with taking Southern units in and out of the works for refurbishment (not sure what class, they all look the same to me now, sorry!).

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It's the access to the old Wolverton Carriage Works, which was built on the original London to Birmingham Railway alignment. Thus the mainline now devaites around it .
Is the place still in business? Haven't seen any bonfires for years :)
 

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As far as I know it is certainly still in use and can be accessed from the North as well as the South.The Works at Wolverton is also the depot that maintains and stables the stock for the Royal Train.
 

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I thought the North connection on to the fast lines was removed a number of years ago, with that part of the line being just a headshunt?

Always seems odd to me that the main line deviates around the site, but then who knows what decision making went on way back when.
 

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As Pablo has pointed out, Wolverton Works lies on the old London and Birmingham Railway route. The main line was diverted around the Works when it became obvious that it was undesirable for the Main Line to pass right through the middle of the Works. The former trackbed can be seen at each end of the Works. This also explains why Wolverton station is situated on a curve.

I understand that when the route was quadrupled at the time of the Crimea War, the facing connections with the Fast lines were removed and a short tunnel was constructed underneath the Fast lines to give access to and from the Slow lines.

Travelling northwards just after the Blue Bridge, the Slow lines split to reveal a headshunt. This headshunt leads northwards and descends into a deep cutting where there is a connection which leads into a short tunnel underneath the Fast lines and into the Works as described above. This was called the Wolverton Incline Line / Siding. It continues northwards from this point to rise back up to surface level where it runs into what are called the Wolverton Centre Sidings.

There are trailing connections from the Centre Sidings to both the Up Slow and the Down Slow.

The Centre Sidings themselves were controlled from Wolverton Shunt Frame (now demolished), with Releases provided from Bletchley PSB. The Shunt Frame was only normally manned one shift, and if necessary opened up specially when a Royal Train was running. Outside of these times there was no access to the Centre Sidings.

The normal method of working was that a train would arrive and shunt back into the Centre Sidings. The locomotive would then detach and couple up to its return working.

The incoming and outgoing stock was tripped to and from the Works by the Works shunter, an 08 allocated at Bletchley TMD which was tripped to and from there on a Saturday morning for maintenance, fuel, etc.

It was only usual for the Royal Train locomotive to go into the Works, although obvioiusly it was possible and was done.

In the 1970s and 80s as I recall, there was a service from Ilford CS to Wolverton Works conveying EMUs which I think ran MWFo, and an Old Oak Common to Wolverton Works which ran TTHo and conveyed coaching stock.

There was also a Willesden CS to Crewe Works service which called in at Wolverton Centre Sidings to collect rollling stock running to Crewe Works with onwards connection to Glasgow St Rollox Works. I recall this ran more on an as required (Q path) basis.

In the 1980s there used to be a a wagon service from the Continent to Wolverton to the then new distribution centre. I have a feeling this was tripped to Wolverton on a Monday morning having come down on an early morning service from Willesden. This service also conveyed Spanish onion and wine traffic for Aylesbury, which was tripped over there on a Saturday morning.

The attached Youtube video gives as best an visualisation of the layout in the Centre Sidings and the Incline as I can find right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxcpNYh18c

I hope the above is of some use, although sadly the passing of time blurs the memory somewhat with regards to precise train services, however the operations were exactly as described.
 
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Until the original L&B cast iron bridge over the canal in the works on the original mainline alignment was replaced with a set of ARP girders in the late 1980's loco's heavier than an 08 were not allowed in the works. Only one span was changed and as far as I know the other trackbed although disused still has the original cast iron girders. They must be the only pair left from the original construction of the L&B now.
 

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Fascinating - nice vid OldTimer. Was that really filmed from the back of a trailing 67? It seems to be going a bit faster.
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E4AOBzi90c

Here's a video from 1986 for a little context. You can see the dive-under from 0:42 to 0:54. All of those sidings are gone now. The single track bridge that crosses the dive-under (seen also at 05:10 with the Class 08 shunting) is still there, but the track is gone.
 

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What was that bridge for ?? a headshunt or did it actually go somewhere before the MK sprawl ??
 

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What was that bridge for ?? a headshunt or did it actually go somewhere before the MK sprawl ??

It was just a headshunt I'm afraid! Although just to the south of where that video is filmed, there used to lie a (trianagular?) junction to the Newport Pagnell branch. That's now the Railway Walk.
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E4AOBzi90c

Here's a video from 1986 for a little context. You can see the dive-under from 0:42 to 0:54. All of those sidings are gone now. The single track bridge that crosses the dive-under (seen also at 05:10 with the Class 08 shunting) is still there, but the track is gone.

Wow! Now that is a video! Thanks AlterEgo... and really HQ for 1986. It's not often you get to see a 1st gen EMU, an 08 doing shunting and a bucket load of 87s and 86 with mk1/mk2/mk3 coaches in one sitting. Viewing bliss! :p
 

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It was just a headshunt I'm afraid! Although just to the south of where that video is filmed, there used to lie a (trianagular?) junction to the Newport Pagnell branch. That's now the Railway Walk.

Actually it's directly across the line from the works yard shown in the video. When I was with Wolverton Scouts, we used to go up there during summer evenings and cut down a lot of the vegetation around the triangle with scythes and sickles
 

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Is this part of the same line (looks well used)?

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Pinched off Google Earth, courtesy of MK Tom.

Anybody know how to de-ginormousize the photo?
 
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That is the access line into the works more or less on the original L&B alignment, and about half a mile north of the incline siding. The alignment used to be straighter and closer to the buildings.

The white humps are the new bridge over the canal that replaced the 1980's ARP girder bridge. The track humps up and over it as it had to be built over the existing bridge reamains, for heritage reasons. The building to the right of it with the three black doors is the old Royal Train Shed.

Tesco's carpark on the left was the site of the original L&B Wolverton Works buildings.
 

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Here is a video from the Open Day in 1988. From about the five minute mark, the video focuses on the areas either demolished, derelict or converted. The main collection of locos is stabled in the same area as the google photo. The Stratford Road bridge it was taken from appears at 8:30 as the camera looks back towards the main line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgeLNBDE1Mw
 

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Travelling northwards just after the Blue Bridge, the Slow lines split to reveal a headshunt. This headshunt leads northwards and descends into a deep cutting where there is a connection which leads into a short tunnel underneath the Fast lines and into the Works as described above. This was called the Wolverton Incline Line / Siding. It continues northwards from this point to rise back up to surface level where it runs into what are called the Wolverton Centre Sidings
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Being a Milton Keynes local and intrigued by these "hidden features" I went out earlier today with camera, and by holding camera over the parapet of the Milton Keynes H2 road bridge over the WCML, I got shots of the tracks and down into the sump. My shots show both the siding line in the sump, and the lead off under the Fast lines to the old Carriage Works. They don't show the actual points, which on Google Maps can be seen south of the H2 Millers Way Bridge.

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In the above the arch towards the top is that of the Blue Bridge which is now fenced off, and very heavily covered in weed vegetation.

and here's a stitch of 3 - all shot "blind" from above the sump. I hope I've got the labellings correct.

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To the south of Blue Bridge, the sump continues and is labelled as an "Inclined Sidings" on the White Alder access safety notice opposite the road, Buckthorn in Stacey Bushes. The access notice here indicates that there is a sidings track to the west of the Down & Up Fast tracks.
 

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Thanks for that eMeS! - so it looks like the best view may well be from the LHS of a slow up service, e.g. a Northampton stopper from MKC. Will have to bear that in mind for the future... (I reckon all you'd see from the down slow is a wall - better angle from the up slow)
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Here is a video from the Open Day in 1988. From about the five minute mark, the video focuses on the areas either demolished, derelict or converted. The main collection of locos is stabled in the same area as the google photo. The Stratford Road bridge it was taken from appears at 8:30 as the camera looks back towards the main line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgeLNBDE1Mw

Again - nice vid! Shame about the quality...
 

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Thanks for that eMeS! - so it looks like the best view may well be from the LHS of a slow up service, e.g. a Northampton stopper from MKC. Will have to bear that in mind for the future... (I reckon all you'd see from the down slow is a wall - better angle from the up slow)
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Again - nice vid! Shame about the quality...

there is not much to see form the slow side either, just the line ging off down hill in a nicely lined cutting! You might see sometihng waiting in the centre sidings if you are lucky
 
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