Does anyone rememeber ?.......

[LilLoaf]

hi all,

me and a friend were just talking about when the class 142's were first introduced, they have had the doors replaced since then. The used to have 4 serperate doors that folded and open inwards. My freind think they were replaced becasue something to do with wheelchairs. I think its because they kepts breaking all the time.

Any know why the doors were replaced.

Also does anyone have any pictures of them where first introduced.

 

[Tom B]

You would have been thinking about 141s, not 142s.

And, please, use the correct forum.

 

[Muttley]

You would have been thinking about 141s, not 142s.

142s had `em as stated.
Going from memory-the original Hornby model depicted them.

 

[jv3531]

142s were indeed fitted with 4-part bi folding doors but due to various faults they were changed. The main reason of course was when CDL was fitted - its easier and cheeper to sure 2 doors rather than fixing four. They also had SCG gearboxes and actually sound more like my national when changing gears...... Can particularly remember the ones allocated to the cornish branch lines, they hated them down here because of the tight corners that used to make them squeel like hell. Makes you laugh realy, they got rid of them for the high maintianence costs with wheel wear and tear and now they are back!!!!!

 

[driver9000]

When introduced the class 142 was fitted with Leyland TL11 engines and a Self-Changing Gears Company (SCG) gearbox. They did indeed have 4 leaf folding doors identical to the ones fitted to the Leyland National. They were removed at the time of the modification programme in the late 80s/early 90s when the 142s gained Cummins L10A engines and Voith T211r gearboxes. They also had their cable braking system replaced with SAB Wabco air brakes. The doors were replaced due to the high number of faults created by them blowing in the wind or when other trains passed them, there was also the need to replace them due to the Traction/Brake interlock waistlocks being fitted at the time to reduce the loss of power caused by the doors moving in traffic and other faults, the 142 has always had a central door lock system in common with all modern multiple units.

 

[Craig]

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[The Snap]

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Somewhat resembles a chocolate spread sandwich!

 

[GNERman]

All I know is that due to many faults with the mechanisms they were replaced (as should the whole class 142 not just the doors!)

 

[delt1c]

Pacers may not be to everyones liking, but they do the job for which they were designed. Many services may have gone if it were not for the savings that the Pacers brought.
Many 1st generation DMU's which are viewed with rose tinted specs were no better (in fact they were worse). Try doing a 75 mile journey in a drafty 116 with your spine being jolted with every track joint, or a fast run on a 105 (50mph+) and you would have thought the unit was going to self distruct, added to that the fumes which used to find their way inside the coaches. What would you rather have a Pacer or an empty track bed?

 

[EE Type 3]

Pacers may not be to everyones liking, but they do the job for which they were designed. Many services may have gone if it were not for the savings that the Pacers brought.
Many 1st generation DMU's which are viewed with rose tinted specs were no better (in fact they were worse). Try doing a 75 mile journey in a drafty 116 with your spine being jolted with every track joint, or a fast run on a 105 (50mph+) and you would have thought the unit was going to self distruct, added to that the fumes which used to find their way inside the coaches. What would you rather have a Pacer or an empty track bed?

Agree with you completely there.

 

[ed1971]

When introduced the class 142 was fitted with Leyland TL11 engines and a Self-Changing Gears Company (SCG) gearbox. They did indeed have 4 leaf folding doors identical to the ones fitted to the Leyland National. They were removed at the time of the modification programme in the late 80s/early 90s when the 142s gained Cummins L10A engines and Voith T211r gearboxes. They also had their cable braking system replaced with SAB Wabco air brakes. The doors were replaced due to the high number of faults created by them blowing in the wind or when other trains passed them, there was also the need to replace them due to the Traction/Brake interlock waistlocks being fitted at the time to reduce the loss of power caused by the doors moving in traffic and other faults, the 142 has always had a central door lock system in common with all modern multiple units.

For anyone who's interested, there is a video on Youtube taken at Manchester Piccadilly on 6 February 1988. If you watch and listen carefully at 32 seconds into the video, a provincial livered class 142 roars passed in original condition with Leyland TL11 engines and SCG gearboxes. The wine from the gearboxes can be heard. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HYCzz8M6nrk

 

[MCR247]

Somewhat resembles a chocolate spread sandwich!

Mmmmmmm

 

[John_158]

The actual reason for the Doors Bing replaced on 142 was because you could pull the original Leyland National Doors open whilst the train was moving therefore a big safety risk so they had to replace them sharply.

Also Class 141&142s are actually a Leyland National Bus Body on a Flat Bed Chassis and the Official Name for them is Rail Bus Pacer is the Family name for them much like Turbo Star is for 165s etc

 

[driver9000]

Also Class 141&142s are actually a Leyland National Bus Body on a Flat Bed Chassis and the Official Name for them is Rail Bus Pacer is the Family name for them much like Turbo Star is for 165s etc

Leyland National body parts are all they share in common, the 142 is wider than a National.

 

[Ilove165's]

Also Class 141&142s are actually a Leyland National Bus Body on a Flat Bed Chassis and the Official Name for them is Rail Bus Pacer is the Family name for them much like Turbo Star is for 165s etc

165s belong to the Networker family....You're thinking of 170s

I'm a bit too young to remember the original doors, but I'd be scared witless if someone opened the doors in motion! Enough to put me off rail travel for good!

 

[ed1971]

The actual reason for the Doors Bing replaced on 142 was because you could pull the original Leyland National Doors open whilst the train was moving therefore a big safety risk so they had to replace them sharply.

Also Class 141&142s are actually a Leyland National Bus Body on a Flat Bed Chassis and the Official Name for them is Rail Bus Pacer is the Family name for them much like Turbo Star is for 165s etc

It is strange then that the doors were not replaced on the 141s at the same time. I have reason to believe that classes 153 and 155s also share certain Leyland National body parts.

 

[WillPS]

I recognised the lighting/ceiling panels used in EMT's 153s as being similar to those found in Leyland National 2s.

 

[ed1971]

I recognised the lighting/ceiling panels used in EMT's 153s as being similar to those found in Leyland National 2s.

That is correct. These units were in fact built by Leyland bus, all as 155s, circa 1988.

 

[16CSVT2700]

165s belong to the Networker family....You're thinking of 170s

Correct, 165/166s are Networker Turbos.

 

[jopsuk]

Correct, 165/166s are Networker Turbos.

Of course, there's the 168, which confuses things by being a "link" between the Networker family and the Turbo/Electrostar family.