Dog Fell Between Platform and Train.

[Nick66]

She probably heard it too?

Valid point, she may have given a nudge but no one saw it and we were all amazed at the reaction.

 

[Chris M]

Dogs are very good at routine, and if this is a journey she does regularly then it will have learned to associate the announcement with getting off the train.

 

[nuts & bolts]

No. We don’t caution for domestic animals either unless there is definite information that someone has gone on the line to retrieve them.

We Caution on our lines if there’s a stray dog , in the case of Swan/s all lines are blocked in that immediate area!

 

[berwicksfinest]

No, no reason to use the REC button for a dog, unless there was a person also on the line looking for a dog. You might phone the signaller just to let them know, in case they deemed in necessary to warn the next train, again, in case an owner has appeared.

But no use of the REC.

Sorry as a Driver and a dog lover. I WILL use the big red button. Whether in the Rule book or Not

 

[ComUtoR]

Whether in the Rule book or Not

Lucky its in the rule book then

 

[LAX54]

This would presumably be considered an appropriate use of the REC button?

No afraid not, we do not caution for dogs on the track, but of course pressing REC, will stop all trains, near and far

 

[Dieseldriver]

No afraid not, we do not caution for dogs on the track, but of course pressing REC, will stop all trains, near and far

It would be considered appropriate use of the REC button. It has nothing to do with a dog being on the line and everything to do with a serious situation developing which is very obviously likely to result in distracted people jumping onto the line to attempt to rescue said dog.
As a Driver, anytime I see fit to use the GSMR emergency call function it is appropriate because I have deemed it to be.

 

[al78]

I'm always very wary when I have my dogs near trains or roads despite them being generally well trained and having good common sense around large fast moving vehicles.

I'm not sure I agree with this one. In my experience dogs seem to have poor spatial awareness, even worse than smartphone addicts in some cases.

The dog in this case didn't appear to manage to avoid the fast moving train. The only way I can see it got hit by a non-stop service is that after falling down, it walked under the train and onto the adjacent line.

 

[Spartacus]

Simple thing is that if you caution for a dog you're going to get the blame, or at least should. From a delay attribution point of view though we're usually a sympathetic bunch and we'll try our best to nudge whoever we've spoken to to say something like 'there's an owner nearby and they think they might have gone onto the line'. Something I've noticed in the rules lately means that if a driver reports a dog on the line and loses time, that goes down to the driver, but if he's hit the dog it doesn't.

As for the REC button, if that was hit for every potential trespass, or even true trespass nothing would ever go anywhere!

 

[SPADTrap]

Simple thing is that if you caution for a dog you're going to get the blame, or at least should. From a delay attribution point of view though we're usually a sympathetic bunch and we'll try our best to nudge whoever we've spoken to to say something like 'there's an owner nearby and they think they might have gone onto the line'. Something I've noticed in the rules lately means that if a driver reports a dog on the line and loses time, that goes down to the driver, but if he's hit the dog it doesn't.

As for the REC button, if that was hit for every potential trespass, or even true trespass nothing would ever go anywhere!

Blame me and leave minutes with me all you like. You're the only who will care

 

[ComUtoR]

As for the REC button, if that was hit for every potential trespass, or even true trespass nothing would ever go anywhere!

Drivers and Signaler both need to have confidence that when they press it they will get support and backup for using it. The second you start introducing doubt it will reduce its use and therefore reduce safety and increase risk.

I couldn't give a flying fork and spook regarding any delay attribution or who gets it. I have never pressed it and hopefully never will but when I do I can't afford to second guess the decision to press it or not.

It's designed to be indiscriminate and stop the job in the fastest way possible. The procedures around it are there to return the job to normal as fast as possible too.

 

[SPADTrap]

Drivers and Signaler both need to have confidence that when they press it they will get support and backup for using it. The second you start introducing doubt it will reduce its use and therefore reduce safety and increase risk.

I couldn't give a flying fork and spook regarding any delay attribution or who gets it. I have never pressed it and hopefully never will but when I do I can't afford to second guess the decision to press it or not.

It's designed to be indiscriminate and stop the job in the fastest way possible. The procedures around it are there to return the job to normal as fast as possible too.

Exactly. No driver presses it lightly obviously.

 

[Spartacus]

Why do you think we try to lead people down a certain route there? And I was never suggesting when the REC button should and shouldn't be pressed.

 

[SPADTrap]

Why do you think we try to lead people down a certain route there? And I was never suggesting when the REC button should and shouldn't be pressed.

I think delays and minutes just wind up drivers, it's nothing personal

 

[backontrack]

We Caution on our lines if there’s a stray dog , in the case of Swan/s all lines are blocked in that immediate area!

If a train hits a pheasant, can the driver behind stop to pick it up and take it home?

 

[Crossover]

Saw a dog (only a little one) fall between the train at York a few months ago, be it stayed on the lead. Heard a yelp and could just see it hanging below the door line (HST). Owner was trying to pull it back up but seemed to be doing a great job of strangling it a bit more! Another passenger helped in the end getting the dog onto the platform

We Caution on our lines if there’s a stray dog , in the case of Swan/s all lines are blocked in that immediate area!

Swans are, of course, a somewhat special case

 

[rg177]

Saw a dog (only a little one) fall between the train at York a few months ago, be it stayed on the lead. Heard a yelp and could just see it hanging below the door line (HST). Owner was trying to pull it back up but seemed to be doing a great job of strangling it a bit more! Another passenger helped in the end getting the dog onto the platform

Indeed, if this was the GC meet? Poor thing seemed to be getting strung by the neck

 

[Crossover]

Indeed, if this was the GC meet? Poor thing seemed to be getting strung by the neck

That was the one!

 

[randyrippley]

Indeed, if this was the GC meet? Poor thing seemed to be getting strung by the neck

if it was a little yappy anklebiter thing, best thing that could happen to it

 

[physics34]

if it happened at clapham junction, youd literally stop 20 plus trains just for the sake of 1 dog. Im not sure it would be deemed appropriate.

 

[AlterEgo]

if it happened at clapham junction, youd literally stop 20 plus trains just for the sake of 1 dog. Im not sure it would be deemed appropriate.

It would be for the sake of someone following the dog. A dog is often followed by its owner when it falls onto the track.

 

[Bromley boy]

Simple thing is that if you caution for a dog you're going to get the blame, or at least should.

The blame? Who is going to “blame” me for using the emergency button as and when I damn well see fit?

From a delay attribution point of view though we're usually a sympathetic bunch

Are you? Well done.

As a driver I don't care whether you’re sympathetic or not.

Neither could my manager.

 

[TBirdFrank]

As the owner of two Jack Russells this is a heartbreaking thread and there was every chance that a little old lady would try to rescue her life companion!

 

[61653 HTAFC]

If a train hits a pheasant, can the driver behind stop to pick it up and take it home?

Not sure there'd be much eating on a pheasant that's been... er, tenderised to that extent!

 

[Bromley boy]

As for the REC button, if that was hit for every potential trespass, or even true trespass nothing would ever go anywhere!

Sorry but this is absolute rubbish as well.

If someone was trespassing I wouldn’t hesitate to hit the red button (and drop the lot). Once again, there would be absolutely zero come back on me for doing so.

I suggest you stick to being a delay attribution clerk. Leave the operational aspects to those who actually know what’s involved.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Not sure there'd be much eating on a pheasant that's been... er, tenderised to that extent!

On a lovely summer evening in 1976 , twixt Welshpool and Newtown - on a classic DMU we hit one (which flew into the train) - the old school driver pulled up (only doing maybe 15 mph) , went back from the cab and returned with a dead , but intact pheasant which he hung onto the AWS reset handle and we carried on. The rural railway......

 

[LAX54]

Sorry but this is absolute rubbish as well.

If someone was trespassing I wouldn’t hesitate to hit the red button (and drop the lot). Once again, there would be absolutely zero come back on me for doing so.

I suggest you stick to being a delay attribution clerk. Leave the operational aspects to those who actually know what’s involved.

Would that not be more suited to an 'URGENT' call ?

 

[Bromley boy]

Would that not be more suited to an 'URGENT' call ?

It would depend on the circumstances. Personally if I saw just a dog then yes I’d consider an urgent call, but if there was any suspicion someone had (or may be about) to follow it onto the tracks the priority would be to get everything stopped.

My previous posts were a little OTT but the overriding point stands - there’s absolutely no “blame” attached to making an emergency call if deemed appropriate at the time. Even if that later proves to have been an overreaction.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Would that not be more suited to an 'URGENT' call ?

I may be wrong, but I get the impression that his point is that anything that introduces doubt into the mind of a driver is a bad thing. Drivers have a tool (the REC button) to stop the job if they think that life may be in danger. If in that moment they're having to worry about any repercussions for their job in the event of the situation not being as severe as they thought, then there will inevitably be occasions when the button SHOULD have been pressed and isn't. The repercussions of that are far more severe than a false alarm.

 

[Bromley boy]

I may be wrong, but I get the impression that his point is that anything that introduces doubt into the mind of a driver is a bad thing. Drivers have a tool (the REC button) to stop the job if they think that life may be in danger. If in that moment they're having to worry about any repercussions for their job in the event of the situation not being as severe as they thought, then there will inevitably be occasions when the button SHOULD have been pressed and isn't. The repercussions of that are far more severe than a false alarm.

Yes exactly (we crossed posts).