Donald Trump and the aftermath of his presidency

[DaleCooper]

As is often the case, the cover-up is worse than the crime...

Indeed, that's what jumped out at me.

 

[ComUtoR]

“I want to know who’s the person, who’s the person who gave the whistle-blower the information? Because that’s close to a spy,” Trump said. “You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”

Audio recording of Mr Trump.

“You know, these animals in the press,” Trump said. “They’re animals, some of the worst human beings you’ll ever meet… They’re scum. Many of them are scum, and then you have some good reporters, but not many of them, I’ll be honest with you.”

Also heard in the same recording but not posted in the clip above.

Considering he would have been surrounded by his cronies and lackies it shows that many people will continue to support him.

 

[Bantamzen]

Considering he would have been surrounded by his cronies and lackies it shows that many people will continue to support him.

They'll support so long as they think he can dodge the bullets, the moment things start to turn they'll scatter to the four winds. And as Trump is already starting to throw people under the bus (the Vice President no less), as the heat is turned up with the impeachment investigation expect more revelations to come.

 

[najaB]

And as Trump is already starting to throw people under the bus (the Vice President no less)...

I wonder if the rumours of a breakdown in the Trump/Pence relationship are true...? Supposedly Trump is considering a new running mate for 2020.

 

[EM2]

This is not normal behaviour...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232249821388801

As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over...
....the captured ISIS fighters and families. The U.S. has done far more than anyone could have ever expected, including the capture of 100% of the ISIS Caliphate. It is time now for others in the region, some of great wealth, to protect their own territory. THE USA IS GREAT!

 

[najaB]

This is not normal behaviour...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232249821388801

Is it 25th amendment time yet?

 

[DaleCooper]

Is it 25th amendment time yet?

Way past that, it's now time for a straitjacket and secure transport to the Happy Duck Rest Home for the Terminally Bewildered.

 

[GusB]

Great and unmatched wisdom?

 

[Cowley]

He clearly did learn something from those North Korean talks.
How to make a bonkers statement!

 

[najaB]

The thing is, just yesterday he gave Turkey the green light to go ahead and attack the Kurds, completely hanging them out to dry after they were instrumental in the victory over Daesh.

 

[DaleCooper]

Second whistleblower emerges and judge orders release of tax records.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49953225

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49963910

 

[najaB]

About that wall...

The Washington Post: Smugglers are sawing through new sections of Trump’s border wall.

SAN DIEGO — Smuggling gangs in Mexico have repeatedly sawed through new sections of President Trump’s border wall in recent months by using commercially available power tools, opening gaps large enough for people and drug loads to pass through, according to U.S. agents and officials with knowledge of the damage.

The breaches have been made using a popular cordless household tool known as a reciprocating saw that retails at hardware stores for as little as $100. When fitted with specialized blades, the saws can slice through one of the barrier’s steel-and-concrete bollards in minutes, according to the agents, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the barrier-defeating techniques.

 

[ComUtoR]

Impeached : 18/12/2019
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50840934

Donald Trump has become the third US president in history to be impeached by the House of Representatives, setting up a trial in the Senate that will decide whether he remains in office.

The House voted on two charges - that the president abused his power and that he had obstructed Congress.

Nearly all Democrats voted for the charges and every Republican against.

President Trump's Republicans control the Senate so it is highly unlikely he will be removed from power.

Next comes the trail in the Senate. As the Senate is controlled by the Republicans, I don't see that being successful. They are also insanely delusional. I watched part of the impeachment debate and they were, and still are, denying any 'crimes' took place and that this is a complete stitch up by the Democrats.

I also don't think his ego will let him stand down; especially as there is not long left in his first term.

 

[Cowley]

Yes. I personally don’t particularly care if the impeachment goes further. The far bigger worry is that he wins another term.

 

[AlterEgo]

Trump will win another term. The Democrats are diseased beyond electability. Stick money on it.

 

[Cowley]

Trump will win another term. The Democrats are diseased beyond electability. Stick money on it.

I might do that then.

 

[najaB]

Trump will win another term. The Democrats are diseased beyond electability. Stick money on it.

It depends entirely on the candidate they choose. Against Biden he might win. Against Warren or Sanders he almost certainly wouldn't.

His base is a pretty solid 35% of the electorate, there's little sign that he will do anything to appeal to those outside that base. It's telling that while he's been continuing to have rallies the crowds have been getting smaller rather than larger.

 

[DarloRich]

Trump will win another term. The Democrats are diseased beyond electability. Stick money on it.

Agreed - and he wont be impeached because the senate is Republican and they wont vote against him! It is all a waste of time.

 

[najaB]

Agreed - and he wont be impeached because the senate is Republican and they wont vote against him! It is all a waste of time.

He has already been impeached. It happened yesterday.

 

[Bantamzen]

It depends entirely on the candidate they choose. Against Biden he might win. Against Warren or Sanders he almost certainly wouldn't.

His base is a pretty solid 35% of the electorate, there's little sign that he will do anything to appeal to those outside that base. It's telling that while he's been continuing to have rallies the crowds have been getting smaller rather than larger.

You mean those rent-a-crowds he has bussed in? You only need to look at some that are positioned behind him at his rallies, they are either really bad actors or really don't want to be there. Some look like they barely know where the hell they are.

Seriously though, Trump's support has been waning since Day 1, despite his constant claims his poll numbers are improving. The Democrats, like Labour here just need to right person in charge to beat him, its theirs to loose...

 

[nlogax]

Yes. I personally don’t particularly care if the impeachment goes further. The far bigger worry is that he wins another term.

The likelihood of impeachment was always high right from the day he became president elect. Now it's dwarfed by the almost certainty of Trump getting through the Senate vote unscathed, and increasing the likelihood of him winning a second term. With that in mind I'm not sure why the Democrats have gone down this road regardless of the outcome.

 

[DaleCooper]

His base is a pretty solid 35% of the electorate, there's little sign that he will do anything to appeal to those outside that base. It's telling that while he's been continuing to have rallies the crowds have been getting smaller rather than larger.

David Pakman reported that there have been big anti-Trump demonstrations all over America. I don't know how accurate this is.

Impeachment protests and rallies against Donald Trump rage nationally as Trump is expected to be impeached today by the House of Representatives

 

[DarloRich]

He has already been impeached. It happened yesterday.

my apologies. He wont be convicted.

 

[AlterEgo]

It depends entirely on the candidate they choose. Against Biden he might win. Against Warren or Sanders he almost certainly wouldn't.

His base is a pretty solid 35% of the electorate, there's little sign that he will do anything to appeal to those outside that base. It's telling that while he's been continuing to have rallies the crowds have been getting smaller rather than larger.

Warren! Don’t make me laugh. Against Sanders he would struggle, for sure - but I don’t think the Democrats will choose Sanders as their candidate.

 

[najaB]

Warren! Don’t make me laugh. Against Sanders he would struggle, for sure - but I don’t think the Democrats will choose Sanders as their candidate.

Warren is close enough to centre to win the uncommitted voters who went for Trump in the last election, but left enough that the Sanders voters wouldn't be completely turned away (like they were by Hillary Clinton).

The last election was swayed by less than half a million votes don't forget.

 

[dgl]

The senate will be, "Right some of us saw him do it, some of us had heard he had done it, the prosecution have indisputable evidence that he has done it and the defense have no argument against the impeachment, given this we find him, our saviour and messiah President Trump, most definitely not guilty, and anyone else who thinks otherwise is a no good traitor that should be imprisoned immediately (then in quite voices "did we please Mr. Putin, and when do we get paid")".

 

[najaB]

...given this we find him, our saviour and messiah President Trump, most definitely not guilty...

I think they're smarter than this. They're more likely to seek to dismiss the charges than actually render a verdict.

 

[Ianno87]

Impeached : 18/12/2019
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50840934

Next comes the trail in the Senate. As the Senate is controlled by the Republicans, I don't see that being successful. They are also insanely delusional. I watched part of the impeachment debate and they were, and still are, denying any 'crimes' took place and that this is a complete stitch up by the Democrats.

It was awful.

Democrats there citing lots of firm evidence, examples and facts.

Republicans responding back by quoting Bible verses and referring to "undermining the will of the electorate" (sound familiar?).

 

[Jordan Adam]

It was awful.

Democrats there citing lots of firm evidence, examples and facts.

Republicans responding back by quoting Bible verses and referring to "undermining the will of the electorate" (sound familiar?).

Must agree, i was watching the hearings on and off yesterday and it was notable how the Republicans were continuously failing to present any evidence to prove Trump is not guilty (we all know he is anyway...). It doesn't matter what side you're own. there's firm evidence that proves the President of wrong doings - he's even admitted it himself!. And then they go on about how Trump was trying to help tackle the corruption in Ukraine... Well Trump is corruption at it's finest!

Warren! Don’t make me laugh. Against Sanders he would struggle, for sure - but I don’t think the Democrats will choose Sanders as their candidate.

I agree with @najaB , Out of all those in the lead for Democrat candidate Warren is the most likely to appeal across the board. Sanders is seen as too far left, that is despite the fact most of the candidates are presenting policy ideas that Sanders has been trying to push for decades!

 

[najaB]

Sanders is seen as too far left, that is despite the fact most of the candidates are presenting policy ideas that Sanders has been trying to push for decades!

Indeed. Much like a certain UK party leader, Sanders is seen as being an uber-socialist despite most of his ideas being pretty sensible.