Dudding Hill freight line potential reopening?

[MatthewRead]

I know I made a thread about this earlier but it seems to been removed why is that?
The latest issue of Modern Railways has an article about an orbital outer circle service operating on this line?

 

[GRALISTAIR]

The same MR article also said Sadiq wants London entirely electric by 2040

 

[CapitalStar378]

It's a viable idea for a very underused line, not a very ambitious timeline though. The line is in situ and 2026 is the target opening date.

 

[swt_passenger]

I know I made a thread about this earlier but it seems to been removed why is that?

Seems to be here, appeared when I searched for "Dudding": https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/dudding-hill-line.146009/

 

[cactustwirly]

Perhaps a Greenford to Cricklewood/Hendon service could be run by LO?

 

[AM9]

Perhaps a Greenford to Cricklewood/Hendon service could be run by LO?

A more adventurous option would be to create a link from the MML goods lines to the NLL just east of West Hampstead. Probably quite expensive as the distance between the WHP platforms and the NLL overbridge is a trifle short. If it could be done it would open up a number of freight and passenger relief routes using the Dudding Hill line.

 

[The Planner]

The whole point of the West Ealing bay was to keep the shuttle out of the way of Crossrail, trying to extend it out again is unlikely to work.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

The whole point of the West Ealing bay was to keep the shuttle out of the way of Crossrail, trying to extend it out again is unlikely to work.

Quite - worked out as long ago as 1992 - and the resignalling and cable troughing etc was place in a position for this to happen. Running West Ealing to High Wycombe would make this an useful service (as opposed to a basket case for much of the time) , giving good links to Crossrail from well heeled Chiltern suburbs...

 

[mr_jrt]

...I suspect if you wanted to add a major bit of infrastructure to improve the potential of the Dudding Hill line, you'd be better with a tunnel from south of West Hampstead to east of Gospel Oak, potentially with an underground interchange with the Northern Line at Belsize Park, and you'd probably want new underground platforms at Gospel Oak. That would enable a segregated route from the Dudding Hill route to Barking, and would give freight a route from Barking to Acton that didn't need to touch the North London Line at all. If so Inclined, you could then run the northern LO network as two segregated services: Richmond to Barking via Old Oak Common Lane and Clapham to Stratford via Hythe Road. Main issue there is that then breaks the flow from the Richmond branch to Willesden Junction and on to Stratford...

 

[daikilo]

Between moving some truoghing and a tunnel with an underground interchange, I expect costs to rise. Let's promote the cheap version to get it recognised then look at the possible add-ons.

 

[yorkie]

I know I made a thread about this earlier but it seems to been removed why is that?

This one Dudding Hill Line?

The latest issue of Modern Railways has an article about an orbital outer circle service operating on this line?

Can you provide a quote please?

 

[Ships]

Is the line used at the moment?

 

[edwin_m]

Running West Ealing to High Wycombe would make this an useful service (as opposed to a basket case for much of the time) , giving good links to Crossrail from well heeled Chiltern suburbs...

Probably now overtaken by the idea of running Chiltern to Old Oak, thereby connecting to HS2 as well as Crossrail.

 

[edwin_m]

Can you provide a quote please?

The article is based on this report: http://democracy.brent.gov.uk/documents/s58355/7b. Draft feasbility study.pdf

the preferred option has been defined as:
- Phase 1: 4 trains per hour from West Hampstead to Hounslow, calling at West Hampstead, Cricklewood, Neasden, Harlesden, OOC Victoria Road, Acton Central, South Acton, Brentford, Syon Lane, Isleworth, Hounslow
- Phase 2: additional 4 trains per hour from Hendon to Kew Bridge, calling at Hendon, Brent Cross/Staples Corner, Neasden, Harlesden, OOC Victoria Road, Acton Central, South Acton, Kew Bridge

This study demonstrates that significant social benefits will result from the introduction of WLO rail services, which have been confirmed to be operationally feasible. The key technical challenges for scheme implementation have been identified with proposed solutions set out. At this stage the affordability of the scheme has not been confirmed, but plausible opportunities to achieve this have been identified providing confidence that it can be.

 

[Class 170101]

Quite - worked out as long ago as 1992 - and the resignalling and cable troughing etc was place in a position for this to happen. Running West Ealing to High Wycombe would make this an useful service (as opposed to a basket case for much of the time) , giving good links to Crossrail from well heeled Chiltern suburbs...

Not entirely convinced this would be worthwhile either. HS2 interchange at Old Oak Common seems to be a better link between Chiltern lines, Crossrail and the future HS2.

Additionally crossing the MML on the flat to the existing T&H is unlikely. The MML is so busy now and in the future it will be difficult to cross.

 

[Railwaysceptic]

Is the line used at the moment?

I see no-one's answered your question.

The line is used at present by a few freight trains. Occasionally part of the route, between Neasden Junction and Acton Canal Wharf Junction, is also used by Chiltern making a complicated ECS movement from Wembley to Willesden TMD.

The line is not busy. I sometimes stroll through Gladstone Park which is divided in two by this line, and I very rarely see a train.

 

[HowardGWR]

I see no-one's answered your question.

The line is used at present by a few freight trains. Occasionally part of the route, between Neasden Junction and Acton Canal Wharf Junction, is also used by Chiltern making a complicated ECS movement from Wembley to Willesden TMD.

The line is not busy. I sometimes stroll through Gladstone Park which is divided in two by this line, and I very rarely see a train.

If you just start typing in Dudding Hill to RTT, it will display all the trains for you. From that, although perhaps many will be cancelled perhaps, I imagine the rails are nevertheless shiny.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea...17/11/14/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

 

[Railwaysceptic]

If you just start typing in Dudding Hill to RTT, it will display all the trains for you. From that, although perhaps many will be cancelled perhaps, I imagine the rails are nevertheless shiny.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea...17/11/14/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

Thanks for that link. I'm surprised that more than thirty trains in a 24 hour period use the line. Based on my observations, I'd have guessed lower.

 

[Tomnick]

Thanks for that link. I'm surprised that more than thirty trains in a 24 hour period use the line. Based on my observations, I'd have guessed lower.

They didn't all run - that's the nature of freight. You can see which ones actually ran by the presence of a reported time in the "act dep" column.

 

[causton]

Thanks for that link. I'm surprised that more than thirty trains in a 24 hour period use the line. Based on my observations, I'd have guessed lower.

However note that only 17 seem to have actually ran. But still I thought it was less than that!