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ECML Disruption - Saturday 27th December

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21C101

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How did they replace full S&C units in the past then? How long did it take?

They didn't have full prefabricated S&C units, they replaced whichever component was faulty and none of the components were so big they could not be transported on a wagon and lifted of it by a few p'way guys or a train mounted crane (remember them).
 
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There was a big change in thinking a few years ago, that continual stagework should be done away with, in place of big shutdowns. Cant remember who it was probably at the start of NR?
The BR way was to have teams allocated to relaying and signal installation testing and so on. They did that work all the time and everyone knew each other, and would be on site for months at a time. The new items often put in out of use pending changeover, or the new points connected and brought into use week by week. That's how the Railways achieved all the big modernisation schemes in the past. The big advantage over nowadays is that Ballast trains would automatically be manned continuously and if the job slipped, the staff on site would make decisions to "cut short" the work and catch up on another week. We all worked for the same firm (BR) and there were no contractual problems between teams. If it was the obvious thing to do it would be done, no-one had any reason not to. On the Morning after NO-one would blame you for doing the best to get the job going. That's not to say there would not be some awkward questions as to what went wrong. Its a different approach today and the cost has ballooned out of all recognition.
 

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I suspect in mainland Europe such weekend/block closures are mitigated by the availability of alternative routes.

In mainland Europe, even on the (alleged) best railway in the world, they routinely cancel trains for routine engineering works.

I happened to be at Geneva airport station at the weekend, where rather small posters were advertising all late evening services being cancelled for engineering work. Advice was to catch the bus to Geneva Cornavin. Not a rail replacement bus, but the ordinary all shacks one.
 

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Thanks for the link petersi. I am astounded that it has not yet been determined why both arrivals and departures initially took place at platform 4 at Finsbury Park despite this having been agreed the previous evening.
 

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I thought it was a local arrangement agreed between station staff and the signallers?

Quite possibly it was. Nevertheless both the NR and the ORR reports say it has not been determined why platform 4 was used for both arrivals and departures rather than platforms 4 & 5 as agreed the previous evening.

Your guess is as good as mine as to why both NR and ORR couldn't determine the reason.
 

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Your guess is as good as mine as to why both NR and ORR couldn't determine the reason.
Actually I find both the reports to be disappointingly shallow on investigating the various issues. As an example right at the start of things, both record that there was a delay in getting permits out at the start of the job, loosely hung on several jobs starting together. There is no attempt to get beyond this, which looks like it just came from a bland briefing document, without any challenge from the report authors. For example, where actually was the bottleneck. Who arranged for a number of permits to be generated at once by some bottlenecked source. Why was this not identified beforehand. Why did it take so long to issue permits. etc etc. That's the sort of investigation I was looking for, which neither has done. The old retired army officers from the Railway Inspectorate would have asked all of that, and demanded sensible answers, in their first few minutes.

Anyway, I suppose such page-filling waffle is perfectly acceptable in Whitehall at the DfT.
 

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I thought it was a local arrangement agreed between station staff and the signallers?

The decision to shunt was made at a senior level on the 26 December, but why the report fails to unearth the issues in comms down to the Signaller on Panel 2 and the station staff on duty is anybody's guess!
 
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