ECML South disruption - OLE down 09/12

[Peterthegreat]

Full joint is from Doncaster to Lincoln, Spalding then rejoins at Warrington junction at Peterborough.

Short joint is from Doncaster to Lincoln then rejoining at Newark.

Last nights services diverted via Full joint line.

Werrington Junction.

 

[gerjomarty]

Just wanted to double check, nothing's going on the line via Spalding today?

I'm trying to make it to East Anglia from Edinburgh, and the best I can see as of right now is to try to divert to Sheffield or Nottingham to grab a Norwich-bound EMR train.

 

[55002]

Just wanted to double check, nothing's going on the line via Spalding today?

I'm trying to make it to East Anglia from Edinburgh, and the best I can see as of right now is to try to divert to Sheffield or Nottingham to grab a Norwich-bound EMR train.

They are running a few that way..obviously depends on route knowledge and having right traction. Best look at the LNeR website travel update section

 

[800001]

Werrington Junction.

Auto correct, but thank you for pointing out!

 

[Peterthegreat]

They are running a few that way..obviously depends on route knowledge and having right traction. Best look at the LNeR website travel update section

Good luck navigating that. It is appalling.

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Auto correct, but thank you for pointing out!

I thought it might be.

 

[55002]

Just wanted to double check, nothing's going on the line via Spalding today?

I'm trying to make it to East Anglia from Edinburgh, and the best I can see as of right now is to try to divert to Sheffield or Nottingham to grab a Norwich-bound EMR train.

Some are terminating at Grantham then i assume that coaches to pick up hourly shuttle service at Peterborough

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Good luck navigating that. It is appalling.

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I thought it might be.

Haha good point

 

[pinkmarie80]

LNER still saying do not travel.
I’m now going Newcastle-Leeds with TPE, then Leeds- Sheffield with Northern, and Sheffield-Leicester with EMR for my trip home to Leicester from my mum’s in Newcastle.
Original trip was NCL-DON with LNER, DON-SHF with TPE, then SHF-LEI EMR.
It’s going to take me nearly 5.5 hours to get home. Dear me. I usually go via PBO but got a really cheap split ticket. I’m not entirely sure what would actually have been worse.

 

[TheBigD]

Just wanted to double check, nothing's going on the line via Spalding today?

I'm trying to make it to East Anglia from Edinburgh, and the best I can see as of right now is to try to divert to Sheffield or Nottingham to grab a Norwich-bound EMR train.

A couple of Grand Central services are currently going via the Joint Line. 1D91 northbound and 1A64 southbound.

No idea if others will go this way.

 

[johntea]

I rang LNER, ticket acceptance only covered to London with Avanti or EMR on their advance ticket. But a good suggestion!

It seems pretty poor form for Grand Central not to accept LNER passengers when LNER bail them out so often!

 

[Darandio]

It seems pretty poor form for Grand Central not to accept LNER passengers when LNER bail them out so often!

Not much good if you run only a handful of five coach trains and cannot fit the extra passengers on!

 

[357]

It seems pretty poor form for Grand Central not to accept LNER passengers when LNER bail them out so often!

Are there not frequent comments on here complaining that LNER aren't accepting GC tickets and people are being sent via the WCML?

Anyway, you could call it bailing out, or you could call it a commercial agreement with financial incentive.

 

[M!T]

I see 1D26 eventually terminated at Leeds. How does anyone wanting Keighley or Skipton get home at 2:19am? It would have been much simpler for the passengers if the train had continued to its destination, but I guess the railway is run for the convenience of the railway and the passengers are grudgingly tolerated as they're needed for revenue.

 

[Metrolink]

It seems pretty poor form for Grand Central not to accept LNER passengers when LNER bail them out so often!

On paper, quite so.

That being said GC probably forks out a pretty neat sum when it comes to using LNER as a replacement. It does seem a bit unrealistic to squeeze the whole ECML flow on to 5-cars to Bradford/Sunderland.

Still confused why no LNER services (bar 1F88) are now being diverted onto the Joint line. RTT tells me there are no scheduled services that way all day. It could do with it at this point, especially with the Spurs v Newcastle game at 4:30.

I see 1D26 eventually terminated at Leeds. How does anyone wanting Keighley or Skipton get home at 2:19am? It would have ben mich simpler for the passengers if the train had continued to its destination, but I guess the railway is run for the convenience of the railway and the passengers are grudgingly tolerated as they're needed for revenue.

Taxi, I suppose. Most likely passengers onward were happy enough to step off the train at Leeds last night!

 

[Banham7]

Hearing rumours that 1F88 will be a Mk4 drag pending available thunderbird.

 

[Peterthegreat]

Hearing rumours that 1F88 will be a Mk4 drag pending available thunderbird.

1F88 15.33 Kings Cross to Doncaster additional.

 

[rg177]

The only other potential through service that I've read from internal info is that 1E19 (1147 Aberdeen-King's Cross) 'may' run as booked. I don't know if this refers to it going via the Joint Line, or some optimism that something (even if on diesel) might get through the area by the time it reaches Grantham around 1745.

 

[RollingStock19]

It seems pretty poor form for Grand Central not to accept LNER passengers when LNER bail them out so often!

GC is a much smaller operation than LNER who have very frequent trains, dispersing one full GC train across multiple LNER services will not have the same effect as one full LNER being dispersed across probably 1 or 2 GC services especially if they are already full.

Also don't believe that LNER are always bailing them out, they often say no to the other TOCs asking for ticket acceptance (especially during disruption) They are well known for not helping the OA operators like GC and Lumo. During disruption when there is industry-wide TA like yesterday's incident LNER are known for being difficult.

 

[Class 170101]

I see 1D26 eventually terminated at Leeds. How does anyone wanting Keighley or Skipton get home at 2:19am? It would have ben mich simpler for the passengers if the train had continued to its destination, but I guess the railway is run for the convenience of the railway and the passengers are grudgingly tolerated as they're needed for revenue.

Line may well have been under possession. Its lucky its got as far as Leeds as doubtless work there would have to be cancelled at short notice just to keep passeengers on trains as far as Leeds and have to find Road Transport at 2am to get them home.

The Contractors would still expect to get paid even if they are stood down for incidents like this. Thus they would get paid a second time to come back and do the deferred work at a later date. So its another reason railway work can be expensive. Would you rather they cancel work and come back with the extra bill to pay or just get it done and pay once?

It should also be pointed out that the work may not have been able to be deferred to a later date as a defect may be such that a later date is too late and the railway closed until its fixed.

 

[skyhigh]

I see 1D26 eventually terminated at Leeds. How does anyone wanting Keighley or Skipton get home at 2:19am? It would have ben mich simpler for the passengers if the train had continued to its destination, but I guess the railway is run for the convenience of the railway and the passengers are grudgingly tolerated as they're needed for revenue.

Crew will be well out of hours by then, especially bearing in mind the set would still have to go back to depot and there was an engineering possession too. Taxis were provided (from what I saw they were giving taxis to get customers home rather than just their destination station). A relatively small number were booked to travel past Leeds anyway. It's not about doing what's easy for the Railway.

 

[MontyP]

I was due to travel York to King's Cross today. Jumped on an XC at York hoping to get to Sheffield or Derby only to realise that EMR are not running today either. So then planned to go to either Tamworth or New St but apparently there is no ticket acceptance for those routings. So eventually changed at Leeds onto TPE to Manc Victoria, taxi across Manchester and made it onto a Euston train. It looks like there are a few cancellations on Manc-Euston this afternoon as well. This will be my 10th long distance trip in 2023 and I have had significant delays (1 hr or more) on 13 or 14 of the journey legs. The whole system is just not fit for purpose.

 

[55002]

Hearing rumours that 1F88 will be a Mk4 drag pending available thunderbird.

Probably 800206 going back. Only LnER set that’s travelled south all day via Lincoln on 1A16 0800 from Donny. Been sat in platform 3 since arriving

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I was due to travel York to King's Cross today. Jumped on an XC at York hoping to get to Sheffield or Derby only to realise that EMR are not running today either. So then planned to go to either Tamworth or New St but apparently there is no ticket acceptance for those routings. So eventually changed at Leeds onto TPE to Manc Victoria, taxi across Manchester and made it onto a Euston train. It looks like there are a few cancellations on Manc-Euston this afternoon as well. This will be my 10th long distance trip in 2023 and I have had significant delays (1 hr or more) on 13 or 14 of the journey legs. The whole system is just not fit for purpose.

Haven’t Avanti stopped ticket acceptance now?

 

[800001]

1F88 1533 from Kings Cross is Intercity 225, dragged from Peterborough via full joint like to Doncaster. This is confirmed

 

[greyman42]

It seems pretty poor form for Grand Central not to accept LNER passengers when LNER bail them out so often!

Grand Central are usually fully booked in advance on the Sunderland to Kings Cross route on a Sunday so it would not really be practical to put LNER passengers on them.

 

[55002]

1F88 1533 from Kings Cross is Intercity 225, dragged from Peterborough via full joint like to Doncaster. This is confirmed

Nice

 

[dk1]

I was very lucky to be homeward on 1L14 yesterday!

EMR Norwich-Nottingham services diverting via Manton Junction today where route knowledge permits.

Shouldn’t be too much of a problem. EMR services seemed extremely busy today.

 

[Peterthegreat]

1F88 1533 from Kings Cross is Intercity 225, dragged from Peterborough via full joint like to Doncaster. This is confirmed

Still at Kings Cross (at 15.41).

 

[Banham7]

1F88 1533 from Kings Cross is Intercity 225, dragged from Peterborough via full joint like to Doncaster. This is confirmed

0Z99 sat at Peterborough Eastfields waiting for the 91 to arrive.

Still at Kings Cross (at 15.41).

Currently the platform has not been announced yet. (Edit: Literally just has been, Platform 5.) Expected to be 15 minutes late off KGX.
15:51 - Train has been removed off the departure screens and will be departing imminently.

 

[800001]

I see 1D26 eventually terminated at Leeds. How does anyone wanting Keighley or Skipton get home at 2:19am? It would have ben mich simpler for the passengers if the train had continued to its destination, but I guess the railway is run for the convenience of the railway and the passengers are grudgingly tolerated as they're needed for revenue.

Taxi provided by LNER

 

[Banham7]

1F88 will be 91 114, confirmed.

 

[dk1]

Due to serious overcrowding it looks as though Avanti are now refusing to convey ‘LNER only’ customers.